Next years QB

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

*sigh*...same ole same ole...

Im really hoping this FO gives Scot McC the automony to do his job and the patience and support with an outside-looking in type setup.

Can Snyder just stay the eff away...damn

They'll more than likely fuck this up just like they do everything else. They'll bring him in and then tie his hands behind his back so he can't do his job. They'll ditch him and move onto the next guy. Rinse and Repeat.

History does indeed repeat itself.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ego and probably more so insecurity

Anyhow, what Shanahan can say in his defense is that he wasn't here last year and the issues were as bad, if not worse

They were worse!
Could the actual biggest problem be that DS runs his football operations like a business where the owner calls all the shots?
The inner workings of the team (football operations) like FO, coaching and player personnel/development should not be run like a business.
As has been proven over and over again the last 15years is DS is not a football man and never will be one. So stop making football operations decisions. Much less overriding all of the football professionals you hired and you picking our starting QB.
DS wants qualified football professionals running his team, but the first time they make a decision DS does not agree with he cuts their nuts off.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So basically nobody is on the same page...just like I said, complete disfunction.

I dont understand why a supposid "genius" business man as Snyder doesnt see the organizational flaws...its really amazing. I guess ego?

Without dysfunctional Bruce, who will dysfunctional Snyder drink with?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Each one of them (Snyder, Griffin, Shanahan) can hold interviews blaming the others...and they would all be correct.

Exactly. Which makes no sense why people are acting like some freaking mystery has been solved by what's been said in Shanny's mudslinging tour.

Everyone in the organization: Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and Griffin have done their part to screw things up. People just need to accept that and move on.

Hopefully the organization has learned from this latest f*ck up. The latest moves by the team point in that direction, but it will take a while to see if that's the case.

[over the mountain]

imo

BA seems to be a good executive

SM seems to be a good/great personnel guy

if the DS lets BA and SM do their thing, then DS can be a good owner

.. this is coming from a guy who also thinks the DS caused a lot of self-inflicted problems.

[rocnrik]

I will say for sure ..IF with this current line up ( front office) ..if within 2 years we are not posting winning records..then all is lost with Snyder..This surrounding cast is far and away the best the REDSKINS have had since GIBBS FIRST JOB..I say lets all give it a chance and maybe we can go 8-8 next year ..but the year after I am looking at playoffs..we will see.

[MTK]

Finally someone says it

Mike Shanahan continues to blame everyone but himself for his failure with the Redskins - The Washington Post

And

Plenty of Blame to Go Around, But Shanny Is Taking Almost None of It | Czabe.com

[FRPLG]

Everyone needs to try and vividly remember the chaos that Shanny created in 2013. Plenty of blame can be spread but Shanny is as guilty or more than anyone.

[Hog1]

Oh Please!
There.......must be some way to twist this back into Dan's wheelhouse?
It's the Burgundy and Gold tradition....

[DYoungJelly]

A really interesting monologue by Keim where he tosses out some passer rating and sack statistics as they relate to time in the pocket and talks about the possibility of committing to Griffin this year with upgrades in the line, TEs and backs:

How to make Robert Griffin III a pocket passer - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

The jist is that Griffin had a passer rating of about 70 when he had 2.5 seconds or more. He says that more time doesn't necessarily equate to being more effective.

He also said that 21 of his 33 sacks came after 2.5 seconds or more.

There was some passionate discussion a few weeks ago comparing sack rates, passer rating, and interceptions between Griffin and Cousins.

The sack stat, I believe is a lot more concerning than the passer rating with Griffin's tendency to get hurt badly.

I'm really curious about the "why" on both.

I'm guessing there weren't a ton of 7 step drops called last year. I wonder how many were broken plays.

Thoughts?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

A really interesting monologue by Keim where he tosses out some passer rating and sack statistics as they relate to time in the pocket and talks about the possibility of committing to Griffin this year with upgrades in the line, TEs and backs:

How to make Robert Griffin III a pocket passer - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

The jist is that Griffin had a passer rating of about 70 when he had 2.5 seconds or more. He says that more time doesn't necessarily equate to being more effective.....

I'm really curious about the "why" on both.

I'm guessing there weren't a ton of 7 step drops called last year. I wonder how many were broken plays.

Thoughts?

GP and thanks for passing along the article.

Awhile back I looked into some of the advance metric numbers from PFF and Football Outsiders for our QB group from last year (Rob, Kirk and Colt).

And it tough to boil everything down into a quick sound bite like Keim had in the above article. BUT he's right about the pass protection especially form the TEs and RBs which was terrible.

On the point about Griffin's passer rating 69 (PFF has it at 66 ftr) with 2.5s he's right but it doesn't mean that Griffin neccesarily "struggles" when he has more time. Just for comparison sake Kirk passer rating with 2.5s + is 62 and Colt McCoy is 106.
I think these numbers could be indicative of what happens with our QBs after the initial progression doesn't show open more then how they respond to having more time as Keim said. I think breakdown by time +/- 2.5s shows why Jay likes Colt; the stats seem to indicate Colt is far more productive passer after the first progression and/or when the play breaks down.

On the sacks....Colt actually has the highest sack rate (3.5) in the +2.5s time frame (although only by a hair over Griffin) Kirk had the lowest sack rate

I think this topic could warrant its on thread but...I missed the thread with the previous discussion that I missed and don't want to start another.

Cheers

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

GP and thanks for passing along the article.

Awhile back I looked into some of the advance metric numbers from PFF and Football Outsiders for our QB group from last year (Rob, Kirk and Colt).

And it tough to boil everything down into a quick sound bite like Keim had in the above article. BUT he's right about the pass protection especially form the TEs and RBs which was terrible.

On the point about Griffin's passer rating 69 (PFF has it at 66 ftr) with 2.5s he's right but it doesn't mean that Griffin neccesarily "struggles" when he has more time. Just for comparison sake Kirk passer rating with 2.5s + is 62 and Colt McCoy is 106.
I think these numbers could be indicative of what happens with our QBs after the initial progression doesn't show open more then how they respond to having more time as Keim said. I think breakdown by time +/- 2.5s shows why Jay likes Colt; the stats seem to indicate Colt is far more productive passer after the first progression and/or when the play breaks down.

On the sacks....Colt actually has the highest sack rate (3.5) in the +2.5s time frame (although only by a hair over Griffin) Kirk had the lowest sack rate

I think this topic could warrant its on thread but...I missed the thread with the previous discussion that I missed and don't want to start another.

Cheers

Very cool.

What was Cousins' sack rate after 2.5 seconds?

Based on what you observed from the advanced metrics, do you see any situational patterns on Cousins' interceptions?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

What was Cousins' sack rate after 2.5 seconds?

1 sack per 13 drop backs over 2.5s

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Based on what you observed from the advanced metrics, do you see any situational patterns on Cousins' interceptions?

Nah I don't see any pattern from the times stats for Kirk's interceptions but I would guess they have a negative impact on his passer rating in the +2.5s category.

[JoeRedskin]

^ Nice analysis.

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[redskinsfan1980]

I think that Kirk Cousins could be good if he had a running game, bigger targets, and a defense. Last season he through a lot of picks, but he threw some tds too. I think he'll be benefit under a second season in the offense. We should have a open qb competition. As far as I'm concern RG3 hasn't shown me anything that would suggest that he's a franchise qb. He does have tremendous talent. So I'm not going to count him out. But I'm not optimistic about him or his future. If RG3 is named the starter it should be because he beat out all the other qbs on the roster. Our decision to start him shouldn't have anything to do with how much we gave up for him. I have a feelings that RG3 will be the starter because we want all of those picks we gave up to pay off. And not because he's the best qb on the roster.