Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

[SunnySide]

Our no. 2 defense is not close to Bucs (6th), Saints (4th), Rams (1st) defense?

Our defense and current situation is more comparable to Detroit (32nd ranked D) and Houston (29th)?

A "5 year window" is short term thinking in todays "win now" NFL?

I want to take advantage of this top 10 D and a weak NFCE. We have been saving cap space and investing 1st rounders on the DL for 4 plus years now ... how much more saving up and planning are we planning to do before we actually start executing the plan? Are we going to stay in the party planning committee stage for ever? or are we going to party?

Lets not over think this. We have a top 10 D with all the pieces young and under contract. We have McLaurin. We are a QB1, WR2, and LT away from being relevant again.

We have a ton of cap space.

The time is now. The next 3-5 years in the NFCE could be ours.

Weve been saving up for this moment. Things have gone our way in terms of drafts and FA pick ups. lets take advantage.

i dont want to stay medium and watch what we are currently holding slowly slip through our cupped hands. How much more cap space are we going to continue to not use? Are we just going to roll over 10-15 M in cap space every year until eternity?

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besides ...

a 1st and a 3rd does not equal mortgaging our future ability to keep adding to this team.

its a 1st and a 3rd ... not our next 5 years of draft picks.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Our no. 2 defense is not close to Bucs (6th), Saints (4th), Rams (1st) defense?

Our defense and current situation is more comparable to Detroit (32nd ranked D) and Houston (29th)?

A "5 year window" is short term thinking in todays "win now" NFL?

I want to take advantage of this top 10 D and a weak NFCE. We have been saving cap space and investing 1st rounders on the DL for 4 plus years now ... how much more saving up and planning are we planning to do before we actually start executing the plan? Are we going to stay in the party planning committee stage for ever? or are we going to party?

Lets not over think this. We have a top 10 D with all the pieces young and under contract. We have McLaurin. We are a QB1, WR2, and LT away from being relevant again.

We have a ton of cap space.

The time is now. The next 3-5 years in the NFCE could be ours.

Weve been saving up for this moment. Things have gone our way in terms of drafts and FA pick ups. lets take advantage.

i dont want to stay medium and watch what we are currently holding slowly slip through our cupped hands. How much more cap space are we going to continue to not use? Are we just going to roll over 10-15 M in cap space every year until eternity?

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just about every team is a few key injuries from not being relevant.

I also dont get how people are like "I am for the future" In the current NFL state either you win now or you don't have a future. So for everyone who is saying build through the draft and FA, who is this QB you expect us to get?

I'd like to point out Ryan Tannehill who was traded for and has helped turn the Titans into contenders which is something Mariotta couldn't do. He is also 32, so I ask who do you all think is better Tannehill or Stafford??

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Miami traded RT and a 6th Rd pick for a 7th Rd pick, and the next year's 4th. That's not close to the compensation people on here are saying WFT should offer for Stafford.

I don't know who's better, probably Stafford, but it just depends on the weapons around them. Tennessee is pretty stacked with Derek Henry, Corey Davis, AJ Brown...

That they did, Corey Davis is also a FA right now, we have young talent in Gibson, and McLaurin, and Thomas who surprised everyone. Who is to say that you insert Stafford and he doesnt give you the same or better production than Tannehill is giving???

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Exactly! NO, they are not close to the Bucs, Saints, or Rams defense. They are not comparable to Houston or Detroit either - probably somewhere in the middle. But they are also just a couple key injuries away from not being relevant at all.

Look, this team won a terrible division. Five of their seven wins came against backup QBs. Most opponents from outside the division, who had their starting QB, ran up 30+ points on this team. The schedule is much tougher next year. There are just too many holes to fill on both sides of the ball to say this team is close - on either side of the ball.

Not sorry. I'm not all in for just the next 3-5 years. I'm all in for the the next 5 years and the future beyond that, which means keep / resign your studs, fill some holes in free agency, and continue to build the team through the draft. If you can do that AND get Stafford/Watson - then by all means do that. But if you can't, then it's not a smart idea.

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not going to argue that. WFT played basically the whole season with QBs that aren't starting caliber. I'm just saying the win total and the defensive ranking are both very much bolstered because of their soft as hell schedule. When they played good, healthy teams the results spoke for themselves.

Id add players playing above expectations in the secondary. but that part always gets me. I think if they got challenged more deep down field .. they would have been exposed. On the flip side, teams didnt gameplan to attack our secondary deep bc of our front 4.

Did our secondary get lucky this year ... or .. was this evidence of the mantra "the best passing defense is a good pass rush".

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I dont think our D is no. 2, Id say we are top 10 or so though.

But if we are downgrading things bc of back up QBs ... then this team played 17 games and won 7 of them with back up QBs so that should count as an upgrade to our future predictions. Haskins/Allen/Smith/Heinike = gave us maybe 2 games collectively of average/competent QB play.

back up Qb play has to go both ways here.

They finished at number 2 in yards allowed

[sdskinsfan2001]

Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford, the acceptable compensation is the deciding factor on how the move would be initially graded by us individually.

I see both sides. I'm all for getting Stafford but not against trading for or signing a veteran to compete with Allen/Heinicke, that would require way less to acquire.

I hope the beer man can pack on 20 pounds.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Sounds like everyone is all for Stafford,

Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.

We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.

The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.

Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.

My bad. Never use a word that leaves out no other option. Should have said "seems like most of us".

Allen/Heinicke and a 3rd more experienced vet, and I'd be fine rolling with that.

I'm all for getting Stafford. But I don't think it's the only option. More than one way to skin a cat.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Cant speak for anyone else but Im not all in on Stafford. talk and thoughts are focused on Stafford bc its a Stafford thread.



We dont know what our true QB options will be for a few more months. its all just fan speculation at this point.



The only thing I do know is that I want an upgrade at QB. Either this year or next year. Whose available and what will it cost etc?... I would more likelyl than not give up the no. 19 and a 3rd for Stafford.



Worst case scenario we roll with Allen/Heinike and some other similar QB, Im fine with that. It means we were able to add a Waddle or some LT or LB at no. 19. But then 2022 becomes all about finding that winner Qb who we can hand the keys off to and he can play at a top 15 QB level right away.

My question is about your line "2022 then becomes all about finding that winner QB". What makes you think 2022 will hold better options for finding that QB? If we bolster our defense and our team does about the same or slightly better we would be right back at this point, no real draft option because we aren't in the top 10, but now we don't necessarily have 2!! elite or damn near elite QB's wanting out of their current team.

This seems like the perfect storm to get a medium to long term answer at QB, then if we don't find that LB leader in late rounds this year go all in on a stud LB in 2022. I don't see any logic in letting this team flounder without a solution at QB this year in the hopes of finding the solution in 2022.

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[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My question is about your line "2022 then becomes all about finding that winner QB". What makes you think 2022 will hold better options for finding that QB? If we bolster our defense and our team does about the same or slightly better we would be right back at this point, no real draft option because we aren't in the top 10, but now we don't necessarily have 2!! elite or damn near elite QB's wanting out of their current team.

This seems like the perfect storm to get a medium to long term answer at QB, then if we don't find that LB leader in late rounds this year go all in on a stud LB in 2022. I don't see any logic in letting this team flounder without a solution at QB this year in the hopes of finding the solution in 2022.

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Im 100% with you on this. id prefer we answer the QB question this offseason. My point was .. if we do stand pat and just sign Fitz or ride with Allen/heinike in 2021, that makes 2022 a "must add legit QB" offseason. We cannot go into 2022 without a legit competent QB.

I dont know what 2022 holds (AAron perhaps?). This offseason seems as good as any in recent memory in terms of available franchise QBs.

trade for Stafford or Watson
FA - perhaps Dak or go poorman with Fitz

I feel like there is a surprise or two to drop in the next 2 months and we arent just limited to Stafford or a low end FA. Maybe Packs move Aaron a year early. Maybe Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins or Carr or Goff become available.

not saying Id want a Carr or Ryan etc but I want to look at all the options. Currently I think Stafford for a 1st and 3rd is most realistic and interesting.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I think we have to plan the QB situation as if we have no chance at getting a QB at 19. Get it resolved prior to the draft.

Then if one of the guys fall, depending on how above is handled, you pick him and adjust accordingly.