Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.


First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).


Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.


By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.


NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.

Good work. However, I don't totally buy he's not in because he's incapable of playing within or picking up the system. Time will tell....and we'll all be happy and continue to love the Skins.

[#56fanatic]

If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down. It would be a different story if he was getting the reps and then the coacheds saying "hes just not getting it" I love the Redskins, Joe and love what GW is doing with the D. I am only saying what was heard on 980, about the coaching staff lying. There is always going to be alot of he said this and that, but if you look at what happened to Coles, when he voiced his displessure, hes gone, Ramsey the same thing. Joe couldn't wait for something to happen to put Brunnell in. Now we have gotten the better end of those two deals, assumming Brunell keeps playing good football, which I think he will. However, there will be one of these episodes that bites us in the butt, and this may be one of them. The players aren't going to get caught up in saying GW should play this guy or that guy, they dont want to lose their jobs or create a divided locker room. which I give them credit for. The biggest thing I have heard is Marcus saying LaVar is a playmaker, and they could use that on the field. Its simple, if a guy has been to 3 pro bowls, continually adjusting to 5 different defenses in 5 seasons. Making HUGE adjustments in Marvin Lewis's D then I dont see how this is any different. If Sterling Sharpe breaks down two plays against Chicago, and shows LaVar out of position, show me two plays of the 40 or so the defense is on the field and lets see if Marcus is out of position on any of those. or Sean Taylor, or Holdman, Daniels. I find it hard to believe that those guys are in position every single play of every single game. Wasn't the two long runs from Bell attributed to guys being out of position? I know you are going to say, well of those two plays LaVar is out of position, look Sterling, you , me and everyone else does not know where LaVar was suppose to be on those particular plays, only the coaches and LaVar. I know if week 1, of the few plays he was in, he made more tackles than Holdman has made in two weeks. Now to make tackles you have to be in position, or running the play down across the field. Lets face it, alot of us want LaVar to play and for some unknown reason(understanding the D isn't one of them) he isn't. We all better hope if he goes somewhere else, its in the AFC.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down.

Can you get it through your hard damn head that maybe JUST F*&^ING MAYBE Lavar is full of sh*t and actaully does get a reasonable amount of snaps? You take his saying that he doesn't as gospel. Open your eyes man! Can't you see you're being snowed by your emotions on this one. I love Lavar as a player too but I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't feel he was getting enough reps unless he was getting EVERY REP. His definition of enough reps and the coaches is probably vastly different. If you want to argue he isn't getting enough reps don't do it solely based on what Lavar says. We really have no reason to believe anything he says since as Matty pointed out "Lavar is always the victim".

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Can you get it through your hard damn head that maybe JUST F*&^ING MAYBE Lavar is full of sh*t and actaully does get a reasonable amount of snaps? You take his saying that he doesn't as gospel. Open your eyes man! Can't you see you're being snowed by your emotions on this one. I love Lavar as a player too but I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't feel he was getting enough reps unless he was getting EVERY REP. His definition of enough reps and the coaches is probably vastly different. If you want to argue he isn't getting enough reps don't do it solely based on what Lavar says. We really have no reason to believe anything he says since as Matty pointed out "Lavar is always the victim".

First, dont talk to me like that. This is a chat where people voice their opinion, thats mine. If you dont like it, or dont agree with it, fine. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to one. Just because I feel the organization is crapping on LaVar doesn't mean you feel the same way. There are alot of people in this that side with both of us. If thats the way you are going to respond to my remarks, then dont respond. I really dont feel it necessary. I dont believe I have said anything harsh or profain lased to you, in fact I know I havn't. So, apology accepted. lets move on.

[FRPLG]

I am trying to understand exactly why some people think this is about anything other than performance issues. What is the concensus in that camp?

[FRPLG]

When did they lie? In your wildest imaginations you can't find anythign they have said that is a lie. You're taking Lavar's word as gold and dismissing they're word. Why? And honestly if you look at what both have said you don't see to much contradiction. No where did Gibbs or Williams say that Lavar was getting every rep possible. All they said was he needed to show improvement in practice. Lots of guys move up the depth chart by only a getting a few reps in practice and doing the max they can with them. The coaches don't stop watching when the 3rd and 4th stringers are getting reps. They're watching to see who is doing what.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

When did they lie? In your wildest imaginations you can't find anythign they have said that is a lie. You're taking Lavar's word as gold and dismissing they're word. Why? And honestly if you look at what both have said you don't see to much contradiction. No where did Gibbs or Williams say that Lavar was getting every rep possible. All they said was he needed to show improvement in practice. Lots of guys move up the depth chart by only a getting a few reps in practice and doing the max they can with them. The coaches don't stop watching when the 3rd and 4th stringers are getting reps. They're watching to see who is doing what.

Who knows who is lying and who isn't. LaVar says hes practicing as much as hes playing, which is not at all. His jersey looked pretty clean after the game sunday. If you dont practice, you can't prove anything.

[MTK]

I guess it depends on what "personal" is.

Is he being benched because the coaches just don't like him? I highly doubt that, in fact to think they would be so petty is just ridiculous.

If personal means he has an attitude problem, then I can believe that.

At this point I don't even care. This whole thing is really getting annoying, LAVAR IS NOT ABOVE THE TEAM, nobody is!

The Redskins are 3-1, it would be a damn shame if this thing becomes a distraction to the team. I doubt it will, the coaches won't allow it and I think this thing is a bigger deal externally than it is internally.

Seriously, what is the big deal? The team is 3-1 without him with the 5th ranked D, and the defense was 3rd overall last year without him.

People are acting as if LaVar is somehow unbenchable, as if there's nothing he could do that would warrant this.

Maybe with other staffs this doesn't happen, but I for one appreciate the team atmosphere this staff has worked so hard to instill, and if this is just another example of them putting the team first, then dammit I don't care who they bench!

Hasn't anyone noticed this trend, LaVar is always the victim, but usually we see right through this, but now for some reason people are coming to his defense. Don't get suckered in!

[FRPLG]

#56fanatic:
You are consistently mistating facts. You have said now a couple times that Lavar "doesn't get on the practice field". Where exactly are you getting this idea?

[Luxorreb]

Lavar is a weapon but so is the scud missile.


We will see Lavar this season just be patient.
You watch the clips of the Phins and Broncs SB and you'll see that Gibbs can pull it out. All you need is faith my brother.

[Luxorreb]

Scud missile is like shooting old Pontiac stationwagons in the air...

[That Guy]

quick summary:
lavar isn't happy, but the coaches don't care.

I think he lost his job and until they start losing, holdman goes from ho-hum to terrible or an injury occurs, he'll continue to watch from the sidelines.

[MTK]

Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.

Well that will get ignored because it doesn't follow along the lemming path of everyone thinks he should be playing, especially all the natinal media who don't know jack crap about what really goes on with teams because they don't have enough time to focus on each individual team.

[That Guy]

#56, like ramsey, he got reps, and he didn't show what he needed to in the few plays he did get. Now that he's in a no rep situation, he'll have to wait his turn to get another shot.