Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

[5RINGS]

Are you guys nuts?
How the hell do you want to plop Ramsey into a game this important?
Of course I assume that you do not want the rookie from Auburn in there.

how come no one remembers the 3-0 start at the beginning of the season? You guys are talking about the 2006 draft without Brunells play so far this year instead of having a chance - slim - at a playoff bye.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Are you guys nuts?
How the hell do you want to plop Ramsey into a game this important?
Of course I assume that you do not want the rookie from Auburn in there.

how come no one remembers the 3-0 start at the beginning of the season? You guys are talking about the 2006 draft without Brunells play so far this year instead of having a chance - slim - at a playoff bye.

They're not nuts, just been dippin' in to the sauce a bit too much.

[44deisel44]

im down with the flu....let offiss and skins guy go at it...gives me somethin to read while i eat my soup. Keep it up guys, love the spirit!!

EF DALLAS

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Actually we have a HUGE amount of plays over 20 yards. If you can find the stat, I saw it during the Rams game. I believe we're one of the top 10 teams with long gaining plays.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Actually we have a HUGE amount of plays over 20 yards. If you can find the stat, I saw it during the Rams game. I believe we're one of the top 10 teams with long gaining plays.

How do we determine what constitutes a "deep pass" though? For example, Brunell dumped off a screen pass to Moss that he turned into a 71-yard TD against KC. Long gaining play, but not a deep pass per se.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

How do we determine what constitutes a "deep pass" though? For example, Brunell dumped off a screen pass to Moss that he turned into a 71-yard TD against KC. Long gaining play, but not a deep pass per se.

Exactly! Thank you Taf, see it's nice to get along.

Stats don't alway's tell the tale, sometimes yes, but sometimes no.

Whether or not Brunell actually has the arm to throw the long ball maybe the wrong question, perhaps the question is why doesn't throw the deep ball, pretty much the same question we all had last season?

Maybe it's his age and he wear's down as the season progresses, who knows, I just don't see us taking shots deep downfield, maybe I am wrong but that's what I am seeing anyway.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Actually we have a HUGE amount of plays over 20 yards. If you can find the stat, I saw it during the Rams game. I believe we're one of the top 10 teams with long gaining plays.

I am sure your right with that MC, I know we have had some big plays, Moss has turned short gains into monsters, Portis, and Rock had some big runs in that Ram game, but those type plays don't stretch a defense, which is what I was trying to get at, infact those plays will do more to tighten up a defense, and there in lies the problem, to many guy's to close to the line of scrimmage.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

True. But I was just looking at a Moss highlight video and he definitely has at least 10 20+ yard catches through the air.

[BigSKINBauer]

i know that i should have said something sooner but answer the question of the thread

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i don't think so

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't have the stats for you, but there is a Moss highlight video on ES. Go over there and download it from the Film Room. I see at least 10+ plays in the AIR of 20+ yards.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't have the stats for you, but there is a Moss highlight video on ES. Go over there and download it from the Film Room. I see at least 10+ plays in the AIR of 20+ yards.

I believe you MC, but I don't consider 20 yds a deep pass, those are intermidiate passes, I know we had some big plays but our passing game as a whole has really been lacking the deep ball, I know we wont complete everyone but throwing a deep incomplete still serves a purpose, and that is to show the defense you are will to throw deep and make them respect that fact so you can work the ball underneath, I kind of think we are working the ball underneath without the respect of the deep ball by the defenses, which makes it much more difficult.

[MTK]

It wasn't the same exact circumstances they played under last year though.

Later on in the year when Ramsey started, I think it's safe to say by then Gibbs and co. had made some necessary adjustments to the offense, and with Ramsey they scaled things back and went ultra conservative.

Plus I don't care what Brunell says, he obviously was not 100% healthy. He doesn't want to admit it because he doesn't want to come off as a guy who's making excuses, but it's obvious something was wrong with him physically because his arm strength simply wasn't there at all, and he clearly has much more zip this year. How many times have we seen him one hop a ball to a WR this year? None that I can remember as opposed to last year when he was good for a few a game.

Enough about last year though. Brunell has helped get us to where we are right now, 7-6 and in a good position to control our own destiny if we can win out.

[SmootSmack]

Because Ramsey passed for more yards in the Bears game doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback. We're not playing the EA Quarterback Challenge out there. If it was all about how far you can launch the football then, well then we'd be a perennial playoff team and firmly entrenched in the Jeff George era. There are plenty more intangibles involved then yards passing or how strong your arm is.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Because Ramsey passed for more yards in the Bears game doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback. We're not playing the EA Quarterback Challenge out there. If it was all about how far you can launch the football then, well then we'd be a perennial playoff team and firmly entrenched in the Jeff George era. There are plenty more intangibles involved then yards passing or how strong your arm is.

Yea, like is the guy catching the ball on our team.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Because Ramsey passed for more yards in the Bears game doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback. We're not playing the EA Quarterback Challenge out there. If it was all about how far you can launch the football then, well then we'd be a perennial playoff team and firmly entrenched in the Jeff George era. There are plenty more intangibles involved then yards passing or how strong your arm is.

That wasen't really the point, the point is Ramsey wasen't given a serious opportunity to prove he couldn't do it, and others demand proof that he could, what else can you really go off to prove that point except play between the 2 QB's in the same game.

Bottom line with our talent we should be sitting no less than 10-3 right now, we absolutly blew 3 games, we are 7-6 that is unacceptable with the talent on this team, good QB's win close games, Brunell does not, 13 games into the season and we need to rely on others to get into the playoffs, and you know what? We will probably get that help, but I also believe we will blow another game we should have won to seal our fate.