WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[skinsfaninok]

Mayhew and Turner are going to Trey Lances pro day. Hope they like him enough to move up

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Mayhew and Turner are going to Trey Lances pro day. Hope they like him enough to move up

It's called due diligence. I'm sure they will be at a few more pro days for QB's. I don't want Lance in round one. You simply can not draft him there. Weak competition and he didn't even play last year. Also has run first instincts. If he is there in round 2 then you think about it. He is a 3rd rounder imo.

[Ohioskins]

I just can't believe how excited people can get about Trey Lance. He played one year against lower level competition. Took last year off. And now should be a first round pick ???

[skinsfaninok]

It’s because he has huge upside. Most thought Mahomes wasn’t good either. Not saying he’s ever going to be that but in today’s QB starved league , guys will always go higher than they should.

Also as Matty will be excited to hear, Cam is staying in NE on a 1 year deal per Rap sheet

[MTK]

QBs will always be overrated and overpaid and some drafted way too early. Not sure why this still surprises some people. People look at Lance and see the next Josh Allen. Small school, big time upside, very raw and will need to be properly developed. He's got the kind of upside that's worth rolling the dice on in the 1st.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

QBs will always be overrated and overpaid and some drafted way too early. Not sure why this still surprises some people. People look at Lance and see the next Josh Allen. Small school, big time upside, very raw and will need to be properly developed. He's got the kind of upside that's worth rolling the dice on in the 1st.

For every Josh Allen there are 10 or more Dwayne Haskins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For every Josh Allen there are 10 or more Dwayne Haskins.

Of course, doesn't mean you stop rolling the dice though. If you hit you can hit big.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Of course, doesn't mean you stop rolling the dice though. If you hit you can hit big.

That’s what I have always said. In fact I’d draft 2 QBs this year if you have to. Yeah I roll the dice but if you don’t even try what’s the point?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Where do QBs come from part 2: https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/3/11/...me-from-part-2

Pretty good insight into the failures of the bottom 6 teams over the last decade.
I particularly enjoy the advice to Ron Rivera if he wants Washington to remain in the bottom 6.

[Warthog]

My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost


Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.


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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Warthog

My prediction for the WFT QB derby in 2021:

1. Taylor Heinicke will compete for the #1 QB position in TC with Allen. Taylor is the plan for 2021.

2. Kyle Allen will probably be the backup

3. The WFT may trade a mid-draft pick of 2022 for a BACKUP QB from maybe the Packers or some other team. A young guy to add to the competition.

What this does for the team. The WFT can use the draft and FA to fix some of their Big HOLES:

FA: WR, LB, S , TE in that order.

Premiere WR to balance against McLaurin. This will open up the offense. Big bucks.

A very good LB: an all around, very good LB who can stay with the TE, WR and stop the run. Medium cost

A good S in case Collins sucks. Lower cost


Draft: drafting for the OL to protect Heinicke

First Round: OT best available. Time to get youth and power into the OL.

Second round: CB or TE

Third Round: OG - to replace Scherff if a long-term deal can’t be worked out.


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I feel like the biggest hole is QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I feel like the biggest hole is QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.

They are obviously trying to get an upgrade at QB (hence the Stafford offer), but I also think they won't overpay via trade (DW, RW) nor trade up in the draft, so it leaves them with only second tier options that might not be massive upgrades over TH and KA. I could see a trade for Darnold but that's about it.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I feel like the biggest hole is QB. RR made it clear after the season that the QB position is “one of the most important things that we need to get done and get established”. They have made it clear that they want to upgrade at QB, and have they already shown that they are pursuing other options, so I don't think they begin the season with TH and KA battling it out.

RR made it clear that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. He wants one, but there are more teams that want one than there are such QBs. Give RR credit for not overpaying for retreads at QB, though Rams saved us from ourselves with Stafford.

They see no one in FA or other teams that can actually be traded for without mortgaging future absurdly, which they wisely won't do (1,024 first round picks for the HOLE Watson!). Position most teams are in, at least half, probably closer to two thirds or three quarters. I think we could sign a cut if that happens.

I think we will draft someone at QB. A third developmental prospect. Maybe early, maybe late, but our FO has to have identified at least two or three QBs in draft that have potential, even if late in draft. I think we might be prepared to move up 2-5 spots if a guy we like falls. Some think Trey Lance?

The problem is that most FA QBs don't offer anything Heinecke doesn't. Heinecke is smart and can run a pro O but has weak arm and small size. There are 10+ FA QBs who are the same guy, but possibly with less moxy. Then there are the running QBs or talented guys who aren't accurate and usually mentally slow and can't run a pro O consistently effectively. I'd be much more comfortable giving Heinecke a one year shot, but his arm strength is a real concern. Once Ds and DBs study film on him, his inability to place ball with power, having to completely anticipate, may be exposed, especially in pocket with pressure where he can't go through complete motion. Heinecke does NOT have arm strength to consistently deliver long, accurate throws even with non-optimal mechanics like other QBs like Mahomes, Rodgers. Of course, Brady can't do that either, so who knows. . .

I like Mac Jones, but he is essentially Heinecke 2.0, arm strength real concern. I think a first round QB should have elite athletic traits, and teams often reach for QBs that don't. Mistake. I could see us drafting a LT, CB, FS, LB, etc., to maximize value and then taking QB 3rd - 5th round, which is where QBs with obvious flaws in game should go. If we are going to find a franchise QB without mortgaging the farm, and without blind luck of one dropping which can't be counted on, we have to draft one with talent in the right places and flaws in the right places, that are correctable.

A GM that takes 3 or 4 cracks at drafting a QB over 3 seasons, should find a franchise QB, and if he can't, you need a new GM.

Teams that win the SB without franchise QB--they have never won more than one in salary cap era--load the O up with talent and have a dominant D. I think our FO is preparing to do that, they want to find a franchise QB, but know odds say they won't.

[skinsfaninok]

Unless they move up for Fields or Lance it’s definitely looking like they’ll roll with a FA Like Mariota or as mentioned trading for Darnold.

Best case scenario is The Jets keep Sam and Atlanta doesn’t draft a QB. If those happen, the QBs will fall some.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Unless they move up for Fields or Lance it’s definitely looking like they’ll roll with a FA Like Mariota or as mentioned trading for Darnold.

Best case scenario is The Jets keep Sam and Atlanta doesn’t draft a QB. If those happen, the QBs will fall some.

Good god I would be so pissed if we got Mariota, Dalton is a better option imo. Darnold seems too broke and expensive to fix, pass.

I know the Skins are seriously thinking QB first round...Fields, Lance are def a move up option they are considering if they fall head over heels during this process. The Bama guy will probably be gone at our pick and I don’t think he fits.

I’d prefer a blockbuster for Wilson or Watson and if we don’t move up, I’d take Ian Book with our 4th round pick. Off script playmaker, athletic and competitive. Accuracy is a plus. Sit him as behind Heinicke and Allen to grow him as a placeholder for at least a backup.