WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

AnonEmouse · 03-14-2021, 01:43 PM

I think Atlanta will draft a QB if the guy they want falls to them, so likely they'll take one. I'm not sure I then see a slot we can sensibly move up to to pick on of the remainder (assuming the Jags and Jets pick the top 2 prospects). Panthers are almost guaranteed to go QB and I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't take the opportunity of a high 1st to get a top QB (unless Bill is dead set on trading down for more picks; they do have a weak roster). Unless we can get an affordable trade I would be surprised if we trade up. I'd bet on RR holding out until draft day to see what shakes out and if there's still a great prospect at #19 grab him, else work a trade with the Jets for Darnold (assuming they draft QB and Darnold is surplus he might go cheaper than advertised) and take BPA in rd 1, then pick up someone like Mond lower down to stash on the PS. A 3rd for Darnold wouldn't be the end of the world, and if we got him for a 4th (or less?!)...

Number44 · 03-14-2021, 02:02 PM

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I think Atlanta will draft a QB if the guy they want falls to them, so likely they'll take one. I'm not sure I then see a slot we can sensibly move up to to pick on of the remainder (assuming the Jags and Jets pick the top 2 prospects). Panthers are almost guaranteed to go QB and I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't take the opportunity of a high 1st to get a top QB (unless Bill is dead set on trading down for more picks; they do have a weak roster). Unless we can get an affordable trade I would be surprised if we trade up. I'd bet on RR holding out until draft day to see what shakes out and if there's still a great prospect at #19 grab him, else work a trade with the Jets for Darnold (assuming they draft QB and Darnold is surplus he might go cheaper than advertised) and take BPA in rd 1, then pick up someone like Mond lower down to stash on the PS. A 3rd for Darnold wouldn't be the end of the world, and if we got him for a 4th (or less?!)...

End of the world? No, but it would be a terrible move. Zero interest in Darnold. Frankly, I wouldn't sign him as a free agent. I certainly don't want to give away an asset for him. We have three QBs better than Darnold on the team right now.

FrenchSkin · 03-14-2021, 04:36 PM

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End of the world? No, but it would be a terrible move. Zero interest in Darnold. Frankly, I wouldn't sign him as a free agent. I certainly don't want to give away an asset for him. We have three QBs better than Darnold on the team right now.

C'mon, freakin Steven "oh fuck no am going to get on the field oh no thank god Heinicke is back" Montez is not better than Darnold...

Number44 · 03-14-2021, 05:50 PM

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C'mon, freakin Steven "oh fuck no am going to get on the field oh no thank god Heinicke is back" Montez is not better than Darnold...

We don't really know, but he certainly can't be worse. Darnold would be his floor. Have you looked at Darnold? Good grief, he is really awful.

skinsfaninok · 03-14-2021, 06:24 PM

Jameis is staying in New Orleans per ESPN

GridIron26 · 03-15-2021, 07:53 AM

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Jameis is staying in New Orleans per ESPN

Not surprised by this at all

ODUsmitty · 03-14-2021, 11:49 PM

Heinicke starts and stays healthy. And the legend is born.

irish · 03-15-2021, 10:27 AM

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Heinicke starts and stays healthy. And the legend is born.

I must be missing something with TH. He only played in 1 game for WFT. I just done see him suddenly becoming a viable NFL starter. There's a reason he was out of the league for two years.

SkinsGuru · 03-15-2021, 12:53 PM

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I must be missing something with TH. He only played in 1 game for WFT. I just done see him suddenly becoming a viable NFL starter. There's a reason he was out of the league for two years.

the biggest reason is injuries . . . he was looking like the starter in minnesota, then he got hurt . . . he has gotten hurt in every game he has played in pretty much . . . thats why you can't trust him. his play has not been the issue.

skinsfaninok · 03-15-2021, 12:55 PM

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the biggest reason is injuries . . . he was looking like the starter in minnesota, then he got hurt . . . he has gotten hurt in every game he has played in pretty much . . . thats why you can't trust him. his play has not been the issue.

He's tiny, he is listed at 6"1 but he looks like 5"10 180 pounds.. He's not a durable starter

EdmundDorf · 03-15-2021, 05:43 AM

Coaching can make such a huge difference to players (see WFT 2020 defense) it is short sighted at best to write off a young and talented player before he has been given a chance to play for someone other than Adam Gase. Tannehill was written off because of his years under Gase, look at him now. Darnold has issues, of course, otherwise he wouldn't be available for less than 3 1st rounders ala Wilson and Watson. But I don't think you will get him for less than a 2nd rounder, the demand will be too great for just a 3rd rounder to suffice. Whether you think he is worth a shot or not is a personal opinion, but right now I trust RR and the front office to know more than the fanbase so if they do/don't trade for Darnold then it was for good reason. As for Montez, you are high if you think Darnold is his floor. His floor is he will be cut in training camp.

skinsfaninok · 03-15-2021, 09:54 AM

Per The Athletic DC

"8 teams have called the Jets in the past few days regarding Darnold and WFT is one"

No surprise there

Number44 · 03-15-2021, 10:49 AM

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Per The Athletic DC

"8 teams have called the Jets in the past few days regarding Darnold and WFT is one"

No surprise there

God, I hope this is no more than due diligence and smoke screening. I have never understood the desire for a "known commodity" when that commodity is known to be absolutely terrible. I'd much rather go with the unseasoned guy with upside than a guy we know for certain will continue to fail.

mooby · 03-15-2021, 10:54 AM

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God, I hope this is no more than due diligence and smoke screening. I have never understood the desire for a "known commodity" when that commodity is known to be absolutely terrible. I'd much rather go with the unseasoned guy with upside than a guy we know for certain will continue to fail.

Because if the price is too high for the latter guy you might have to settle for scraps.

Tannehill was looked at as average in Miami because Gase is a terrible coach, Tennessee picked him up for scraps and look at him now. If a coach likes the talent and thinks a guy just needs some coaching up he will look into acquiring him.

If you're saying you disagree with Ron's evaluation of Darnold you are basically saying you disagree with Ron's talent evaluation skills at qb.

EdmundDorf · 03-15-2021, 11:15 AM

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God, I hope this is no more than due diligence and smoke screening. I have never understood the desire for a "known commodity" when that commodity is known to be absolutely terrible. I'd much rather go with the unseasoned guy with upside than a guy we know for certain will continue to fail.

At least 8 NFL front offices disagree with you, so he is not "Known" to be terrible, he is obviously "known" to have a high upside which is worth a 3rd or maybe a 2nd round pick to some.

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On the other hand Gase is "known" to be one of the most awful coaches in the history of the league and a documented QB killer.

03-14-2021, 06:24 PM	#5
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021 Jameis is staying in New Orleans per ESPN __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

03-14-2021, 11:49 PM	#7
ODUsmitty Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 53	Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021 Heinicke starts and stays healthy. And the legend is born.

03-15-2021, 05:43 AM	#11
EdmundDorf The Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK, South Posts: 1,926	Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021 Coaching can make such a huge difference to players (see WFT 2020 defense) it is short sighted at best to write off a young and talented player before he has been given a chance to play for someone other than Adam Gase. Tannehill was written off because of his years under Gase, look at him now. Darnold has issues, of course, otherwise he wouldn't be available for less than 3 1st rounders ala Wilson and Watson. But I don't think you will get him for less than a 2nd rounder, the demand will be too great for just a 3rd rounder to suffice. Whether you think he is worth a shot or not is a personal opinion, but right now I trust RR and the front office to know more than the fanbase so if they do/don't trade for Darnold then it was for good reason. As for Montez, you are high if you think Darnold is his floor. His floor is he will be cut in training camp.

03-15-2021, 09:54 AM	#12
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021 Per The Athletic DC "8 teams have called the Jets in the past few days regarding Darnold and WFT is one" No surprise there __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

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03-14-2021, 01:43 PM	#1
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 60 Posts: 2,896	Re: WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021 I think Atlanta will draft a QB if the guy they want falls to them, so likely they'll take one. I'm not sure I then see a slot we can sensibly move up to to pick on of the remainder (assuming the Jags and Jets pick the top 2 prospects). Panthers are almost guaranteed to go QB and I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't take the opportunity of a high 1st to get a top QB (unless Bill is dead set on trading down for more picks; they do have a weak roster). Unless we can get an affordable trade I would be surprised if we trade up. I'd bet on RR holding out until draft day to see what shakes out and if there's still a great prospect at #19 grab him, else work a trade with the Jets for Darnold (assuming they draft QB and Darnold is surplus he might go cheaper than advertised) and take BPA in rd 1, then pick up someone like Mond lower down to stash on the PS. A 3rd for Darnold wouldn't be the end of the world, and if we got him for a 4th (or less?!)...

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