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redwagonskins · 10-17-2004, 08:50 PM

Draw your own conclusions:
comp/att yds td/int
Brunell 8/22 95 1/1
Harrington 12/23 101 1/1
Palmer 20/36 148 1/1
Roethlisberger 21/25 193 2/0
Carr 16/26 266 1/1
Rattay 18/28 286 1/1

Notice, these guys aren't McNabb, Manning, Farve, these guys are rookies or young QB's. And it's not just this week

MTK · 10-17-2004, 08:52 PM

can we have another Brunell sucks thread????

wolfeskins · 10-17-2004, 08:53 PM

And The Numbers Don't Lie

redwagonskins · 10-17-2004, 08:54 PM

It's just a bunch of #'s Matty. Like I said, draw your own conclusions.

wolfeskins · 10-17-2004, 08:55 PM

i've got a good question,what sucks more?
a-a vaccume cleaner
b-a hooker
c-mark brunell

redwagonskins · 10-17-2004, 08:59 PM

Some more #'s:

Droughns 38 176 1td
Portis 36 171 0
W. Green 25 115 0
A. Green 21 81 0

Pretty good work by Clinton and our O line. I think guys can stop beating up on them for a while.

That Guy · 10-17-2004, 09:01 PM

roth was 21/25, holy crap...

joecrisp · 10-17-2004, 09:08 PM

The numbers are undeniable; what is at question is how much of the blame Brunell himself deserves for those numbers.

It seems the more opportunities Brunell gets to disprove the "Brunell sucks" theorists, the more he feeds their arguments (mine included).

If and when Ramsey gets the opportunity to start, I hope the Brunell apologists will grant Ramsey as much amnesty as they have afforded Brunell. I'm certain, however, that won't be the case. Why? Because one game should be all Ramsey needs to prove he is worthy of being the starter, shouldn't it?

dragontat7169 · 10-17-2004, 09:29 PM

Well...let's just say this. Ramsey doesn't make the money that Brunell does and lacks the experience. I would not expect Ramsey to come out and win his first game or even his second. But what I would expect is at least the leadership that the offense desperately needs. I don't see Brunell as being the leader, in my opinion he is just there to collect a paycheck.

redwagonskins · 10-17-2004, 09:33 PM

Roth looked like a 5 year vet today.

My comment is that every week the offense as a whole is held accountable vice blaming the QB and that's good. This week, the D was outstanding giving up 3 POINTS, the O line opened 171 yds worth of holes which Portis exploited and with all of this we win 13-10? At some point, however, there has to be personal accountability. I'm glad Gibbs has been sticking with one QB rather than the usual QB carousel, and he knows a lot more than I do, but when our QB scores 70% of their points it makes me wonder. I would love to have an insiders (ie player's) perspective if they feel Brunell is their leader and they are moments from clicking offensively or whether they see him as a liability on the field that can't be trusted to make tough throws in tough postions. Maybe the bye week is what they need to come out and put up 28 points a game but if we can't do it against a rookie corner and the Bears secondary then you have to wonder.
And Matty, no I don't think that Brunell sucks, I just don't think he's giving us the best chance to win lately.

SUNRA · 10-17-2004, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

can we have another Brunell sucks thread????

What about the not so-special teams. We are not getting anything from Chad Morton and no one mentioned the TD that they allowed against the Ravens.

SKINSnCANES · 10-17-2004, 10:02 PM

somebody pleaes post ramseys numbers when he played this year. its not like he came in and had 3tds and made it so we dont understand why hes not starting.

most of us were saying how bad ramsey looked and realized brunell was the lesser or two evils at this poitn. that doesnt mean hes good, just better than ramsey right now

aehs77 · 10-17-2004, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

somebody pleaes post ramseys numbers when he played this year. its not like he came in and had 3tds and made it so we dont understand why hes not starting.

most of us were saying how bad ramsey looked and realized brunell was the lesser or two evils at this poitn. that doesnt mean hes good, just better than ramsey right now

Ramsey threw 3 picks but he moved the ball down the field. And atleast on of those picks was not his fault.

joecrisp · 10-17-2004, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

somebody pleaes post ramseys numbers when he played this year. its not like he came in and had 3tds and made it so we dont understand why hes not starting.

most of us were saying how bad ramsey looked and realized brunell was the lesser or two evils at this poitn. that doesnt mean hes good, just better than ramsey right now

Right now, Brunell is one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league. He's had five full games and most of a sixth game to change that, but he hasn't. Nor has he thrown 3 TDs in a game to justify himself as the starter, either. If he had, most of us wouldn't be screaming for Ramsey-- or any QB-- to replace him.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-17-2004, 10:43 PM

I don't think Ramsey is going to light up any scoreboard and he'll make more mistakes than Brunell. However, he will lead us in the right direction and learn while Gibbs does. It's about time to work on the future (Ramsey) because the past (Brunell) isn't taking us anywhere.

10-17-2004, 08:50 PM	#1
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	QB Stats from Around the League Draw your own conclusions: comp/att yds td/int Brunell 8/22 95 1/1 Harrington 12/23 101 1/1 Palmer 20/36 148 1/1 Roethlisberger 21/25 193 2/0 Carr 16/26 266 1/1 Rattay 18/28 286 1/1 Notice, these guys aren't McNabb, Manning, Farve, these guys are rookies or young QB's. And it's not just this week

10-17-2004, 10:02 PM	#12
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	somebody pleaes post ramseys numbers when he played this year. its not like he came in and had 3tds and made it so we dont understand why hes not starting. most of us were saying how bad ramsey looked and realized brunell was the lesser or two evils at this poitn. that doesnt mean hes good, just better than ramsey right now __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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10-17-2004, 08:52 PM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	can we have another Brunell sucks thread????

10-17-2004, 08:53 PM	#3
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	And The Numbers Don't Lie

10-17-2004, 08:54 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	It's just a bunch of #'s Matty. Like I said, draw your own conclusions.

10-17-2004, 08:55 PM	#5
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	i've got a good question,what sucks more? a-a vaccume cleaner b-a hooker c-mark brunell

10-17-2004, 08:59 PM	#6
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Some more #'s: Droughns 38 176 1td Portis 36 171 0 W. Green 25 115 0 A. Green 21 81 0 Pretty good work by Clinton and our O line. I think guys can stop beating up on them for a while.

10-17-2004, 09:01 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	roth was 21/25, holy crap...

10-17-2004, 09:08 PM	#8
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	The numbers are undeniable; what is at question is how much of the blame Brunell himself deserves for those numbers. It seems the more opportunities Brunell gets to disprove the "Brunell sucks" theorists, the more he feeds their arguments (mine included). If and when Ramsey gets the opportunity to start, I hope the Brunell apologists will grant Ramsey as much amnesty as they have afforded Brunell. I'm certain, however, that won't be the case. Why? Because one game should be all Ramsey needs to prove he is worthy of being the starter, shouldn't it?

10-17-2004, 09:29 PM	#9
dragontat7169 Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 92	Well...let's just say this. Ramsey doesn't make the money that Brunell does and lacks the experience. I would not expect Ramsey to come out and win his first game or even his second. But what I would expect is at least the leadership that the offense desperately needs. I don't see Brunell as being the leader, in my opinion he is just there to collect a paycheck.

10-17-2004, 09:33 PM	#10
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Roth looked like a 5 year vet today. My comment is that every week the offense as a whole is held accountable vice blaming the QB and that's good. This week, the D was outstanding giving up 3 POINTS, the O line opened 171 yds worth of holes which Portis exploited and with all of this we win 13-10? At some point, however, there has to be personal accountability. I'm glad Gibbs has been sticking with one QB rather than the usual QB carousel, and he knows a lot more than I do, but when our QB scores 70% of their points it makes me wonder. I would love to have an insiders (ie player's) perspective if they feel Brunell is their leader and they are moments from clicking offensively or whether they see him as a liability on the field that can't be trusted to make tough throws in tough postions. Maybe the bye week is what they need to come out and put up 28 points a game but if we can't do it against a rookie corner and the Bears secondary then you have to wonder. And Matty, no I don't think that Brunell sucks, I just don't think he's giving us the best chance to win lately.

10-17-2004, 10:43 PM	#15
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	I don't think Ramsey is going to light up any scoreboard and he'll make more mistakes than Brunell. However, he will lead us in the right direction and learn while Gibbs does. It's about time to work on the future (Ramsey) because the past (Brunell) isn't taking us anywhere.

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