Pro-gun article

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Oh look , the NRA version of the Pep Boys are all here.

Why do you dislike rational responses to your posts so much?

[Alvin Walton]

Eli fan boy fail.....

[Alvin Walton]

Full troll mode....
Doesnt know jackschitt about firearms, cant debate worth a rats ass, backs the most despised team in the NFL.
Not surprised.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Full troll mode....
Doesnt know jackschitt about firearms, cant debate worth a rats ass, backs the most despised team in the NFL.
Not surprised.

[RedskinRat]

Sam Harris' FAQ on Violence

Long, but worth the effort.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Sam Harris' FAQ on Violence

Long, but worth the effort.

Great find and nice read, I don't agree with all of it. But presents some info like total crime rates and hypothetical self defense scenarios that get totally overlooked in the last congressional debacle pushing for "gun bans".

Personally I don't think assault weapons should be banned. Both because the last AWB didn't affect the already downward trend of crime at all, and going by the Constitution arms like that should if anything be regulated (which at that time meant required and supplied to people). And once you start talking of banning some guns, well we've seen what little restraint the anti-gun goons like giantone have, like that NY paper releasing names of gun owners that he cheered on. Which in addition to the wrongness of the intended effort, means that some law enforcement officials can thank that paper for criminals knowing where those officers homes and families are now.

Personally I have more reservations about concealed carry and handguns than anything else like assault weapons. But again when you have fanatics that would take any measure of expanding background checks or registration as a step to bans, compromise really isn't possible. We're better off as is, than living under a regime like DC's own local gun laws.

[RedskinRat]

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware - Pew Research

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This surely is a cold comfort to those either injured or related to those killed by firearms. It should make people think about the sudden interest and motivation in more gun control issue though.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

This surely is a cold comfort to those either injured or related to those killed by firearms. It should make people think about the sudden interest and motivation in more gun control issue though.

Gun deaths for children ages 7 and younger have gone up a whole lot this year ,guess it's all how you look at it. Yet as you say I'm sure it is cold comfort to the parents of the dead children.


Here are some stats that aren't as good.

Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts



And some more...

Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System

What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?
The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [1] :

• In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
• This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
• The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
  • 214 unintentional
  • 1,078 suicides
  • 1,990 homicides
  • 83 for which the intent could not be determined
  • 20 due to legal intervention
• Of the total firearms-related deaths:
  • 73 were of children under five years old
  • 416 were children 5-14 years old
  • 2,896 were 15-19 years old

These numbers are from 1999, if all the New laws could save just one child it and they would be worth it.

[Giantone]

http://www.childrensdefense.org/chil...facts-2013.pdf




..............and some more facts.

Children’s Defense Fund
Protect Children, Not Guns
Key Facts
April 24, 2013
A child or teen dies or is injured from guns every 30 minutes.
• 18,270 children and teens died or were injuredfrom guns in 2010.  1 child or teen died or was injured every 30 minutes
 50 children and teens died or were injured every day
 351 children and teens, or 17 classrooms of 20 children, died or were injured every week.
　
More children and teens die from guns every three days than died in the Newtown massacre.
•2,694 children and teens diedfrom guns in 2010.  1 child or teen died every 3 hours and 15 minutes
 7 children and teens died every day, more than 22 every three days
 52 children and teens died every week
　
Over the past 50 years, three times more children and teens died from guns on American soil than U.S. soldiers were killed in action in wars abroad.
•Between 1963 and 2010, an estimated 166,500 children and teens died from guns on American soil, while 52,820 U.S. soldiers were killed in action in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars combined.
•On average 3,470 children and teens were killed by guns every year from 1963 to 2010, or 174 classrooms of 20 children every year.
Nearly three times more children and teens were injured by guns in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers wounded in action that year in the Afghanistan war.
•An estimated 15,576 children and teens were injuredby guns in 2010.  1 child or teen was injured every 34 minutes
 43 children and teens were injured every day
 300 children and teens were injured every week
•5,247 U.S. soldiers were injured in the Afghanistan war in 2010.
Guns kill more children under five than law enforcement officers in the line of duty.
•82 children under five died from guns in 2010, compared to 58 law enforcement officers killed by guns in the line of duty.
The US has more than ten times more gun deaths in children and teens than other high income countries.
•Children and teens in the US are 67 times more likely to die from guns than children and teens in the United Kingdom and 13 times more likely than children and teens in France.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

http://www.childrensdefense.org/chil...facts-2013.pdf




..............and some more facts.

<SNIP>

Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity!

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity!

yeah, good catch right off the bat. The website g-one posts counts teens as children, but screams "PROTECT CHILDREN!!!". When 18-24 is the age group most likely to commit violent crime, and gangs make use of younger members to kill, like the Sean Taylor murder.

The numbers look totally out of whack with the numbers I've seen, and posted, from more reliable sources. And considering the guy who posted the link....

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Gangbangers are 'children', too! Oh, the humanity!

....and more numbers.




Inter-country comparison of mortality for selected cause of death, European Detailed Mortality Database (DMDB). Children exposed to violence: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227744.pdf More than one out of five teenagers has witnessed a shooting
• The 2008 National Survey of Children’s Exposure to Violence found that more than one in five 14-17 year olds in a national representative survey of children had witnessed a shooting at some point in their lives. This number is thought to be much higher among low-income children; one study found that more than two out of five low-income Black school-aged children had witnessed a murder.
Black, Hispanic, American Indian and Alaska Native children and teens are disproportionately likely to die or be injured by guns.
• In 2010, 45 percent of gun deaths and 46 percent of gun injuries were among Black children and teens, although they comprised only 15 percent of all children and teens.
• Black children and teens were 4.7 times more likely to die from guns than White children and teens, and 8.5 times more likely to be injured. American Indian and Alaska Native children and teens were 2.4 times more likely to die than White children and teens. Hispanic children were 3.3 times more likely to be injured compared to White children and teens.
Two out of three gun deaths in children and teens are homicides and a little over one out of four are suicides. Among nonfatal gun injuries, a little over three out of four result from assaults and nearly one out of five is accidental.
Gun deaths and nonfatal injuries among children and teens (ages 0-19) in 2010 Firearm deaths
Estimated Nonfatal Firearm Injuries
Number
Percent
Rate*
Number
Percent
Rate*
2,694
100%
3.2
Total
15,576
100%
18.7
Total
1,773
66%
2.1
Homicide
12,077
78%
14.5
Assault
749
28%
0.9
Suicide
3,019
19%
3.6
Accidental
134
5%
0.2
Accidental
480
3%
0.6
Self-harm
38
1%
0.05
Undetermined
2353
87%
5.5
Boys
13,749
88%
32.8
Boys
341
13%
0.8
Girls
1,827
12%
4.5
Girls
2,315
86%
10.5
Between ages 15-19
13,870
89%
62.9
Between ages 15-19
224
8%
1.1
Between ages 10-14
1,265
8%
6.1
Between ages 10-14
73
3%
0.4
Between ages 5-9
240
2%
1.2
Between ages 5-9
82
3%
0.4
Between ages 0-4
200
1%
1.0
Between ages 0-4
1,205
45%
9.4
Black, non-Hispanic
7,232
46%
52.1
Black, non-Hispanic
909
34%
2.0
White, non-Hispanic
3,571
23%
20.0
Hispanic
512
19%
2.7
Hispanic, all races
2,839
18%
6.1
White, non-Hispanic
41
2%
4.8
American Indian or Alaska Native, non Hispanic
1,584
349
10%
2%
**
6.9
Race not stated
Other non-Hispanic
27
1%
0.6
Asian or Pacific Islander, non Hispanic

[CRedskinsRule]

Drowning Fact Sheet
Drowning statistics - Drowning facts


In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States, an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

In 2004, of all children 1-4 years old who died, 26% died from drowning (CDC 2006). Fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005)

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

It is estimated that for each drowning death, there are 1 to 4 nonfatal submersions serious enough to result in hospitalization. Children who still require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) at the time they arrive at the emergency department have a poor prognosis, with at least half of survivors suffering significant neurologic impairment.

American Academy of Pediatrics

19% of drowning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present.
Drowning Prevention Foundation

A swimming pool is 14 times more likely than a motor vehicle to be involved in the death of a child age 4 and under.
Orange County California Fire Authority

Children under five and adolescents between the ages of 15-24 have the highest drowning rates.
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

An estimated 5,000 children ages 14 and under are hospitalized due to unintentional drowning-related incidents each year; 15 percent die in the hospital and as many as 20 percent suffer severe, permanent neurological disability.

National Safety Council

Of all preschoolers who drown, 70 percent are in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning and 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.

Orange County, CA, Fire Authority

The majority of children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following submersion, and most children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.

National Safe Kids Campaign

[Alvin Walton]

Death by Coke machine.
Death By Vending Machine / Warning: Large heavy appliances can be hazardous to your health - SFGate

Death by television.
Boy dies trying to change TV channel in Bronx apartment | 7online.com

Death by visiting the elderly.
Boy dies in 6-story fall from Stamford apartment | 7online.com

[Daseal]

Quick question, from GiantOnes post, WTF is a gun death for: 20 due to legal intervention? Cops killed them?