Two major concerns

BleedBurgundy · 09-02-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree with you on that one, Bleed. I mean if that were the case Portis would have rushed for damn near 200 yds in a couple of games so far.

Damn... if only it could happen...

MTK · 09-02-2005, 12:20 PM

Thing to remember is Ramsey likely won't be throwing as much.

With the way Portis and Betts have run this preseason and the offensive line is blowing people off the ball, look for a total smashmouth attack.

jermus22 · 09-02-2005, 04:17 PM

Not that I'm advocating Brunell as the starter, but he was ridiculously accurate last night. If Ramsey falters in the first four or five games, Brunell very well might be the man for the job.

12thMan · 09-02-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jermus22

Not that I'm advocating Brunell as the starter, but he was ridiculously accurate last night. If Ramsey falters in the first four or five games, Brunell very well might be the man for the job.

Not only was he accurate, but he had some zip on the ball. I mean the ball was humming a few times. The guy must have dipped his arm in some Gatorade or something!!

exit0 · 09-02-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Not only was he accurate, but he had some zip on the ball. I mean the ball was humming a few times. The guy must have dipped his arm in some Gatorade or something!!

Yeah.... I posted the same observation in the game thread. Brunell is looking so confident and his passes are super accurate so far this preseason. Whereas, Ramsey is definitely hesitant and not throwing the ball with any zip on it at all. Why is he all of a sudden taking so much off his passes? No wonder he keeps underthrowing the receivers so bad on the longer passes.

12thMan · 09-02-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by exit0

Yeah.... I posted the same observation in the game thread. Brunell is looking so confident and his passes are super accurate so far this preseason. Whereas, Ramsey is definitely hesitant and not throwing the ball with any zip on it at all. Why is he all of a sudden taking so much off his passes? No wonder he keeps underthrowing the receivers so bad on the longer passes.

Well Ramsey has a new QB coach, Bill Musgrave. I think he's been working with him putting more touch on his passes, but I think Ramsey also needs some more time with his receivers.

Between he and Brunell, I feel Brunell has had the better preseason.

GoSkins! · 09-02-2005, 04:19 PM

And look at the guys we have been running against. These are the best defenses in the league and we are moving the ball well.

I think that Ramsey has played outside of his comfort zone during the preseason. He played well down the strech last year and I don't believe he has regressed. A run first mentality will definitaly help the passing game but I think that the passing game will come into it's own around the 6th game or so. We have a defense that should provide us some comfort while waiting for the chemistry to fully develop.

skinnyfan · 09-02-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

And look at the guys we have been running against. These are the best defenses in the league and we are moving the ball well.

I think that Ramsey has played outside of his comfort zone during the preseason. He played well down the strech last year and I don't believe he has regressed. A run first mentality will definitaly help the passing game but I think that the passing game will come into it's own around the 6th game or so. We have a defense that should provide us some comfort while waiting for the chemistry to fully develop.

I agree that we are a run first team, but if teams don't take away Portis then they are absolutely insane. Ramsey will have to throw to win and that is where we are in trouble. Ramsey will lose more games than he wins for us. And we can make all the excuses we want for Ramsey but he has not looked good at all (2 TD's, 4 INT's). We don't have time for the passing game to click....The defense ranked #1 in the NFC last year and we couldn't win more than 6 games. Anyway........sorry for all the negativity but I hate Ramsey and pray that I am wrong about him.

SUNRA · 09-03-2005, 11:13 AM

If this wasn't the legend Joe Gibbs, I honestly would be far more critical of what I see as the same problems that seem to prevent this team from rising from the depths of mediocricy to dominance. The wideout positions are not balanced with size and speed. In the red zone, we NEED a big receiver who can go up and grab the ball in the endzone. Cooley at 6'3" is a Halfback/Tightend and is a big target but he is the only legitimate target. Forget about Dyson, it ain't happening. Gibbs was never sold on McCants, so why not find several big rookies or free agents to replace him. Instead we have one "has been" and the smurfs children.

SmootSmack · 09-03-2005, 01:15 PM

I realize that Ramsey is neither Brady or Manning, but the Pats and Colts don't have "big, red zone threats"

The top receivers for both Indy and NE are all 6 feet or under. I'm not counting David Terrell because he just joined the Pats and they've done just fine without him the past few years

SUNRA · 09-04-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I realize that Ramsey is neither Brady or Manning, but the Pats and Colts don't have "big, red zone threats"

The top receivers for both Indy and NE are all 6 feet or under. I'm not counting David Terrell because he just joined the Pats and they've done just fine without him the past few years

The thing with Ramsey is he has thrown more INTs intended for Coles last year and Moss this year, that I'm convinced his throwing ability maybe limited to bigger WRs like Royal,Cooley especially in the redzone. I am aware that timing is essential and Ramsey is not there yet.

SUNRA · 09-04-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I realize that Ramsey is neither Brady or Manning, but the Pats and Colts don't have "big, red zone threats"

The top receivers for both Indy and NE are all 6 feet or under. I'm not counting David Terrell because he just joined the Pats and they've done just fine without him the past few years

Look at the teams in the NFC East, all have big targets and they are successful with them. T.O., Burress, K.Johnson. The reason we have not been in the playoffs is because we have not won in our division. We have only split with the Giants for the last three or four seasons. Speed and size is a MUST in our division so why limit our offensive targets with guys who Ramsey seems to struggle throwing the ball to? If Gibbs puts bigger targets around Ramsey, his completion rating will go up. I expect far more from our running game than I do from our passing game for that reason.

SmootSmack · 09-04-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Look at the teams in the NFC East, all have big targets and they are successful with them. T.O., Burress, K.Johnson. The reason we have not been in the playoffs is because we have not won in our division. We have only split with the Giants for the last three or four seasons. Speed and size is a MUST in our division so why limit our offensive targets with guys who Ramsey seems to struggle throwing the ball to? If Gibbs puts bigger targets around Ramsey, his completion rating will go up. I expect far more from our running game than I do from our passing game for that reason.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. T.O. is in a league all by himself, he's more than just a big receiver. So it's not like us having McCants would be the same as having TO. Before him, Philly's "big" receiver was Pinkston. True, he had a good year in 2002, but I would say that the Eagles pretty much won in spite of him. Plax has yet to play a regular season game with the Giants, so you can't already say that they are successful with him. And Key has just played one season with the Cowboys, a season in which they finished 6-10. Plus we're don't stop big receivers with big receivers of our own, we stop them with big (and talented) defensive backs. Enter Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers

SUNRA · 09-04-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. T.O. is in a league all by himself, he's more than just a big receiver. So it's not like us having McCants would be the same as having TO. Before him, Philly's "big" receiver was Pinkston. True, he had a good year in 2002, but I would say that the Eagles pretty much won in spite of him. Plax has yet to play a regular season game with the Giants, so you can't already say that they are successful with him. And Key has just played one season with the Cowboys, a season in which they finished 6-10. Plus we're don't stop big receivers with big receivers of our own, we stop them with big (and talented) defensive backs. Enter Shawn Springs and Carlos Rogers

We don't stop big WRs with WRs ? I think that's a given, but we aren't matching the defensive perfomance of our team with a strong effective offense, especially the passing game. What would you point to as the main reason for our inability to score last year?

MTK · 09-03-2005, 01:58 PM

What about Royal? He caught 4 TDs last year and he should be in the same kind of role this year.

09-02-2005, 12:20 PM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Two major concerns Thing to remember is Ramsey likely won't be throwing as much. With the way Portis and Betts have run this preseason and the offensive line is blowing people off the ball, look for a total smashmouth attack.

09-02-2005, 04:17 PM	#3
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 43 Posts: 336	Re: Two major concerns Not that I'm advocating Brunell as the starter, but he was ridiculously accurate last night. If Ramsey falters in the first four or five games, Brunell very well might be the man for the job. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

09-02-2005, 04:19 PM	#7
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 57 Posts: 1,587	Re: Two major concerns And look at the guys we have been running against. These are the best defenses in the league and we are moving the ball well. I think that Ramsey has played outside of his comfort zone during the preseason. He played well down the strech last year and I don't believe he has regressed. A run first mentality will definitaly help the passing game but I think that the passing game will come into it's own around the 6th game or so. We have a defense that should provide us some comfort while waiting for the chemistry to fully develop. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

09-03-2005, 11:13 AM	#9
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Two major concerns If this wasn't the legend Joe Gibbs, I honestly would be far more critical of what I see as the same problems that seem to prevent this team from rising from the depths of mediocricy to dominance. The wideout positions are not balanced with size and speed. In the red zone, we NEED a big receiver who can go up and grab the ball in the endzone. Cooley at 6'3" is a Halfback/Tightend and is a big target but he is the only legitimate target. Forget about Dyson, it ain't happening. Gibbs was never sold on McCants, so why not find several big rookies or free agents to replace him. Instead we have one "has been" and the smurfs children. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-03-2005, 01:15 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Two major concerns I realize that Ramsey is neither Brady or Manning, but the Pats and Colts don't have "big, red zone threats" The top receivers for both Indy and NE are all 6 feet or under. I'm not counting David Terrell because he just joined the Pats and they've done just fine without him the past few years __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-03-2005, 01:58 PM	#15
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Two major concerns What about Royal? He caught 4 TDs last year and he should be in the same kind of role this year.

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