Stick a fork in em', they are done!

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Was the plan all along, to put RG3 in knowing he wouldn't be 100%, because playing in games would help get him up to speed quicker?

Seems like a horrible risk of injury to RG3 (that hasn't blown up *yet*), and I would rather had Cousins come in and we win at least one game (Lions or Eagles), rather than tank the first 3 games. Cousins is no controversy to replace a healthy RG3.

I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...

I have no idea if this is true, but if so it's the biggest indictment yet of shanny's poor coaching/leadership. His job is to win, not placate any one player on the team. That said, I'm not sure cousins would have fared better. The line has been shit, the play-calling and scheme even worse until garbage time and you can't really evaluate anything then anyway, and the overall motivation on both sides of the ball as bad as the 2nd half of '09 when everyone gave up on zorn. RG is the least of this teams problems. Even accounting for his two mistakes last Sunday, he put the team in position to still win the game and Robinson bobbled a perfectly thrown ball. When you watch this team play by play, you see Mikes failure throughout, whether it's polumbus at RT or another asinine pitch 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, really hard to see it going anywhere anytime soon.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...

I have no idea if this is true, but if so it's the biggest indictment yet of shanny's poor coaching/leadership. His job is to win, not placate any one player on the team. That said, I'm not sure cousins would have fared better. The line has been shit, the play-calling and scheme even worse until garbage time and you can't really evaluate anything then anyway, and the overall motivation on both sides of the ball as bad as the 2nd half of '09 when everyone gave up on zorn. RG is the least of this teams problems. Even accounting for his two mistakes last Sunday, he put the team in position to still win the game and Robinson bobbled a perfectly thrown ball. When you watch this team play by play, you see Mikes failure throughout, whether it's polumbus at RT or another asinine pitch 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, really hard to see it going anywhere anytime soon.

[Skins4L]

note to whom it may concern. this thread makes me sick.

if the players had that very same attitude then yea our season is lost. but something tells me they have a lot more fight than that quitter attitude.

weve gotten the worst hands dealt to us these past few weeks. a lot of bad luck and miscues. ull c. if not, at least they'll try. then well make our assements like professionals.

[SmootSmack]

I have no idea what rumor snake and goat are talking about

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I have no idea what rumor snake and goat are talking about

That's not important......they do

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That's not important......they do

lol ...

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I have no idea what rumor snake and goat are talking about

It's the rumor they manufactured for attention.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

It's the rumor they manufactured for attention.

I didn't make the rumor up, it was actually talked about in one of the other threads. It stated that the original plan was that RG3 would set out until after the bye, to give his knee extra time to heal.

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.

The season may be lost so he may figure on just calling easy plays and such as to not risk further injury to RG3.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.

Undefeated at 4-0? Cousins putting up elite numbers?



Actually I'd expect best case scenario we do go 3-1, Cousins looks great like he did against Cleveland. If RG3 isn't 100%, let Cousins start longer. After last season nobody is still starting Cousins over a healthy RG3. So what's the problem?

More realistically, we go 1-2 or 2-1. We don't risk further injury to RG3. We aren't talking now about tanking the season, just getting to 2-2 or 3-1 til we can get RG3 back.

I know you're smarter than that "controversy" thinking SS, just laughing at the idea put out there that Shanny would be against Cousins emerging as a bona-fide starting QB, or us going undefeated. Nobody could be that stupid.

Imagines Belichick thinking "Damn better hold back playcalling with this 6th rounder Brady, can't make a controversy with him and Bledsoe". Or Vermiel thinking "All this winning with Warner is so bad! What we will do when Trent Green comes back?" I don't think it would happen, but seriously if Cousins suddenly became the next Tom Brady, what the hell would be our problem?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I didn't make the rumor up, it was actually talked about in one of the other threads. It stated that the original plan was that RG3 would set out until after the bye, to give his knee extra time to heal.

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.

The season may be lost so he may figure on just calling easy plays and such as to not risk further injury to RG3.

I'm gonna guess you're talking about Howard Eskins' report. A) Dr. Andrews' never said to sit him until after the bye week and B) That Cousins stuff is also untrue

But, believe what you want

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm gonna guess you're talking about Howard Eskins' report. A) Dr. Andrews' never said to sit him until after the bye week and B) That Cousins stuff is also untrue

But, believe what you want

I have always respected you and your information that you share on here.

If you say that it is untrue, i believe you. Yes, I was hearing that rumor which appeared to be partly based on the Howard Eskins report, but like I said, i did not make it up. And now I can't find the thread where it was first mentioned. It doesn't matter.

The facts are right now we are in real trouble, trouble at HC, trouble at DEF, maybe trouble at QB. It's going to take a lot to sort this out....We very well may end up 0-4, and then maybe we need to start thinking about next year....

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm gonna guess you're talking about Howard Eskins' report. A) Dr. Andrews' never said to sit him until after the bye week and B) That Cousins stuff is also untrue

But, believe what you want

I swear folks read the thread and then come back a few days later saying things like "I read somewhere ..." referring to an earlier post. It's like the thread creates and feeds it own rumors - all of the "We suck and do stupid things" variety of course.

Where's Walt with an M60 when you need him.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

That would be the very definition of a good problem. No way KC puts up the HOF numbers it would take to convince anyone to sit RGIII. And no way MS makes the decision in that way. That's just a wackadoodle theory.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

That would be the very definition of a good problem. No way KC puts up the HOF numbers it would take to convince anyone to sit RGIII. And no way MS makes the decision in that way. That's just a wackadoodle theory.

The only number that matters is wins.