Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

Daseal · 09-13-2005, 10:33 AM

I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 10:37 AM

I have a question:

What if Steve Spurrier made this decision? Or anyone not named Gibbs...would you still be on board?

cpayne5 · 09-13-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I have a question:

What if Steve Spurrier made this decision? Or anyone not named Gibbs...would you still be on board?

Daseal has already asked me this off-board; my answer was yes. If the database hadn't crashed and we lost all the posts from 2003, you would have been able to go back and seen exactly what I said.

cpayne5 · 09-13-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life.

I don't mind questioning, but to say that you could make better decisions is rediculous. But it seems that the questioning always comes with jabs to Gibbs' credibility and competance.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 10:40 AM

Really? Tell me you still think picking up Brunell was a good move. He's 3-6 as a starter. He got a 6 year, $42 million deal. Tell me what a good idea it was. I could have made a better personnel decision. That's right, I said it.

BleedBurgundy · 09-13-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life.

Agreed. Discussion boards wouldn't be very interesting if all there was to do was sit around and discuss how every decision made by our coach is wonderful, regardless of the outcome. At no point should ANYONE feel afraid to share their opinion for fear of being labeled "a fairweather fan." Look around folks, there aren't any fairweather fans left. The last few years have more than weeded them out. If people are on this board stating an opinion (aside from jokers like zackmills) it's because they love this TEAM. We all respect Joe Gibbs. If someone says they lost a little respect for his coaching ability because of a questionable personnel move, that's their right. Is Gibbs concerned with their respect? I'd say, probably not. Why should he be? But I don't think we should criticize anyone for sharing their opinions. Gibbs is a great coach. That's a proven fact by any metric. But he's not a deity. He can be questioned. I don't think anyone here claims to have more knowledge than Joe Gibbs. But that doesn't mean we can't share our opinions...

cpayne5 · 09-13-2005, 10:40 AM

Look, I'm not saying that I would have made the same call, but I'm not the coach of a freakin NFL team! And neither is anyone else on this board.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

Look, I'm not saying that I would have made the same call, but I'm not the coach of a freakin NFL team! And neither is anyone else on this board.

quick question cpayne, how many games would you have let Brunell keep losing last season when you had a healthy young backup with experience right there?

actually one more, why focus all your practice snaps with the new offense on a backup you had no intention of giving a real chance in the regular season?

Gibbs says so himself, these decisions are mostly based on his instinct, just like last year and we saw the results of that. is it feasible that Gibbs' instincts could be rusty after 11 years? it was rusty for Vermeil. you probably knew more current NFL players than Gibbs last year believe it or not, it's OK to question him especially this early in his comeback. he's mortal

MTK · 09-13-2005, 10:56 AM

I don't think the people that are supporting the switch are "blindly" following Gibbs.

I'm trying to see & understand the rationale behind the move.

If Ramsey was playing well there would be no discussion, he would be the starter.

Ramsey played himself out of the job, why is that so hard to see?

LadyT · 09-13-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think the people that are supporting the switch are "blindly" following Gibbs.

I'm trying to see & understand the rationale behind the move.

If Ramsey was playing well there would be no discussion, he would be the starter.

Ramsey played himself out of the job, why is that so hard to see?

How can someone play themselves out of a job in less than half a game? By those standards, MB played himself permanently out of a job with his 8 horrible games of last year.

MTK · 09-13-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyT

How can someone play themselves out of a job in less than half a game? By those standards, MB played himself permanently out of a job with his 8 horrible games of last year.

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 11:02 AM

Preseason games mean nothing, after this much time Joe Gibbs should know that.

MTK · 09-13-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Preseason games mean nothing, after this much time Joe Gibbs should know that.

They meant something for Ramsey.

If he played well and didn't throw 4 INTs, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

12thMan · 09-13-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Less than half a game?

How about the entire offseason including OTA's, minicamp, training camp and 4 preseason games.

Ramsey had the chance to secure the job. He didn't lose the job on Sunday against the Bears. He lost it over the course of the entire offseason and preseason.

Yeah, I don't think Gibbs just yanked based on what he saw in Chicago, it was more like what he saw and what he hasn't seen for the past couple of months. I think Gibbs has been stewing this one for a while.

MTK · 09-13-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yeah, I don't think Gibbs just yanked based on what he saw in Chicago, it was more like what he saw and what he hasn't seen for the past couple of months. I think Gibbs has been stewing this one for a while.

Exactly. I think he gave him every chance to turn the corner. Ramsey simply didn't get it done. He worked as the starter all during the offseason. He took 90% of the snaps in training camp. All he had to do was produce and claim the job. Can anyone really say that he did that? Ramsey left the window of doubt wide open in Gibbs' mind.

09-13-2005, 10:33 AM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I haven't seen any arrogance from Lady T at all. She's simply saying that it's better for you to have an opinion then to blindly follow Gibbs -- I think that's a lesson that can be asserted to every facet of life. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

09-13-2005, 10:37 AM	#2
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I have a question: What if Steve Spurrier made this decision? Or anyone not named Gibbs...would you still be on board?

09-13-2005, 10:40 AM	#5
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Really? Tell me you still think picking up Brunell was a good move. He's 3-6 as a starter. He got a 6 year, $42 million deal. Tell me what a good idea it was. I could have made a better personnel decision. That's right, I said it.

09-13-2005, 10:40 AM	#7
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Look, I'm not saying that I would have made the same call, but I'm not the coach of a freakin NFL team! And neither is anyone else on this board. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

09-13-2005, 10:56 AM	#9
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I don't think the people that are supporting the switch are "blindly" following Gibbs. I'm trying to see & understand the rationale behind the move. If Ramsey was playing well there would be no discussion, he would be the starter. Ramsey played himself out of the job, why is that so hard to see?

09-13-2005, 11:02 AM	#12
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Preseason games mean nothing, after this much time Joe Gibbs should know that.

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