Ramsey and McCants

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-14-2005, 03:51 PM

I posted this in another thread, but the similarities are hard to ignore.

But first, let's start with the differences.

Ramsey is a QB, which normally brings much more merit than a #2 or #3 wide receiver. Ramsey is a first round pick while McCants is a fifth round pick. Ramsey tried his hardest and McCants had some questionable practice habits That's basically where the differences end.

During their tenure together, Ramsey did not have the protection to get the ball to McCants effectively basically negating any progress the two could have made as a duo. Then Joe Gibbs steps in bringing his own ideas, his own beliefs on how a team should be run and instantly we have Patrick Ramsey and Darnerian McCants fighting for their respective professional lives.

Granted, work habits cannot be ignored, but neither can red zone statistics. McCants played at a decent enough level to be effective last year when he ACTUALLY got in the game. Ramsey played hard and still was not better than Brunell in preseason and there we have set the tone for the beginning of the 2004 season.

Fast forward to now, Ramsey gets benched after basically twenty minutes of action. I think what this comes down to is not the fact that Ramsey is getting benched, it's how Gibbs went about it.

McCants got benched first and then cut. Ramsey hasn't produced so well himself.

So I ask again, why are we so attached to Ramsey and we let McCants go with hardly an afterthought?

jermus22 · 09-14-2005, 05:11 PM

Kind of interesting you brought up McCants, especially considering how our red zone offense struggled on Sunday. He was a beast in the red zone when Spurrier was around, but perhaps it was just that system. I wish him the best, but I was disappointed by all I heard about his work ethic.

That Guy · 09-14-2005, 05:22 PM

well, mccants wasn't the best at his position on the team right now... i don't think ramsey is really much better than brunell, but just getting defenders to back off for portis helps...

in fact, mccants was #5 at his highest.

skinnyfan · 09-14-2005, 05:24 PM

Maybe because DMAC was a 7th round pick and Ramsey was a 1st round pick, who when he was selected we had all the intentions of starting him at the most important position on the field. I myself despise watching Ramsey play, too hot/cold for me, not enough consistency. DMAC I would've like to see more of though........Ramsey reminds me of a Frerrote....shouldn't be a starter but has dabbled a time or two. Ramsey is what I like to call.......bad. If he started all 16 games this year he would've thrown more picks than td's.

Joe Knows... · 09-14-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So I ask again, why are we so attached to Ramsey and we let McCants go with hardly an afterthought?

I was thinking this same question.

I am really upset that they never gave McCAnts a chance. I guaruntee you that if he played last year, we would have one at least 3 more games because he's the guy that can get us TDs in the end zone, and he was the only guy that could hold on to the ball.

I was really upset when he got cut and I still am. Although, I wonder if he was being too imature behind the scenes for the coach to accept so they cut him as a way of sending a message to the team.

I still trust Joe Gibbs, but I am upset that a player like McCants who could help us never got his oppurtunity.

So why do you all stick up for Ramsey and not for McCants, hmmmm??

celts32 · 09-14-2005, 05:29 PM

There is no decision in football harder or more important than deciding when to throw in the towel on a QB drafted in round #1.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-14-2005, 05:42 PM

Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner

Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included.

Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad.

sportscurmudgeon · 09-14-2005, 05:46 PM

celts32:

That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here.

Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial...

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-14-2005, 05:54 PM

Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this.

That Guy · 09-14-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner

Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included.

Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad.

I never liked rod or champ and didn't mind watching them go... I actually like springs better even though he's not as talented (at least he doesn't bobble punt returns and doesn't purposefully trip himself to not look as bad when he gets beat badly).

I WAS a bit disappointed we lost smoot, but I knew he wasn't really the physical type of corner GW wants (though he definately tried his hardest).

I didn't feel bad about losing AP cause i was attached, but i didn't like how $1mill got in the way and killed the deal...

maybe they just didn't get as much media exposure and that's why... I never really knew much about any of them off the field.

That Guy · 09-14-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this.

and he even threw in a firing just to prove they're really brass.

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-14-2005, 06:09 PM

Very true.

I know I won't appease everyone, I just wanted to kind of put things in perspective since tempers have run high recently.

This is all part of the healing process.

memphisskin · 09-14-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

celts32:

That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here.

Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial...

Great point. I didnt really see it as a clash at the top, but perhaps thats what it is. Fact is, Ramsey may still be a good qb in this league but that probably won't happen in dc. It may be a minor consolation, but I do recall that Danny Boy wanted Moss over Gardner so at least he got his wish on that regard.

McCants had to go, true he's a good red zone target and proved that with 6 tds in 2003, but he's the 4th wideout and he doesn't play special teams which is a huge no-no. No crying about him leaving.

Ramsey didn't get a fair shot, but given Brunell's age and injury history I'd say it is only a matter of time.

Joe Knows... · 09-14-2005, 07:26 PM

Only Joe Gibbs would be able to get away with that kind of move. He's the only coach that Dan Snyder adores that much. He grew up as one of his biggest fans. He respects Gibbs enough to actually let him run the show, where as the other coaches he didn't.

Longtimefan · 09-14-2005, 10:20 PM

Totally agree with you Mephisskin on D'Mack. Everyone talks about him being so great in the red-zone as a receiver, but what I want to know is what is he going to do when we're not in the red-zone. I cannot see a roster spot for a player whose only going to see the field when we get in the red-zone. No ST "nothing" just catch passes when we get down deep, I don't think so, and that's why he's not here.

09-14-2005, 05:24 PM	#4
skinnyfan Special Teams Join Date: May 2005 Age: 47 Posts: 111	Re: Ramsey and McCants Maybe because DMAC was a 7th round pick and Ramsey was a 1st round pick, who when he was selected we had all the intentions of starting him at the most important position on the field. I myself despise watching Ramsey play, too hot/cold for me, not enough consistency. DMAC I would've like to see more of though........Ramsey reminds me of a Frerrote....shouldn't be a starter but has dabbled a time or two. Ramsey is what I like to call.......bad. If he started all 16 games this year he would've thrown more picks than td's.

09-14-2005, 05:29 PM	#6
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Ramsey and McCants There is no decision in football harder or more important than deciding when to throw in the towel on a QB drafted in round #1. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

09-14-2005, 05:42 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Ramsey and McCants Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks. A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included. Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-14-2005, 05:46 PM	#8
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Ramsey and McCants celts32: That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here. Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

09-14-2005, 05:54 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Ramsey and McCants Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-14-2005, 03:51 PM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Ramsey and McCants I posted this in another thread, but the similarities are hard to ignore. But first, let's start with the differences. Ramsey is a QB, which normally brings much more merit than a #2 or #3 wide receiver. Ramsey is a first round pick while McCants is a fifth round pick. Ramsey tried his hardest and McCants had some questionable practice habits That's basically where the differences end. During their tenure together, Ramsey did not have the protection to get the ball to McCants effectively basically negating any progress the two could have made as a duo. Then Joe Gibbs steps in bringing his own ideas, his own beliefs on how a team should be run and instantly we have Patrick Ramsey and Darnerian McCants fighting for their respective professional lives. Granted, work habits cannot be ignored, but neither can red zone statistics. McCants played at a decent enough level to be effective last year when he ACTUALLY got in the game. Ramsey played hard and still was not better than Brunell in preseason and there we have set the tone for the beginning of the 2004 season. Fast forward to now, Ramsey gets benched after basically twenty minutes of action. I think what this comes down to is not the fact that Ramsey is getting benched, it's how Gibbs went about it. McCants got benched first and then cut. Ramsey hasn't produced so well himself. So I ask again, why are we so attached to Ramsey and we let McCants go with hardly an afterthought? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-14-2005, 05:11 PM	#2
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 42 Posts: 336	Re: Ramsey and McCants Kind of interesting you brought up McCants, especially considering how our red zone offense struggled on Sunday. He was a beast in the red zone when Spurrier was around, but perhaps it was just that system. I wish him the best, but I was disappointed by all I heard about his work ethic. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

09-14-2005, 05:22 PM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Ramsey and McCants well, mccants wasn't the best at his position on the team right now... i don't think ramsey is really much better than brunell, but just getting defenders to back off for portis helps... in fact, mccants was #5 at his highest.

09-14-2005, 06:09 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Ramsey and McCants Very true. I know I won't appease everyone, I just wanted to kind of put things in perspective since tempers have run high recently. This is all part of the healing process. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-14-2005, 07:26 PM	#14
Joe Knows... Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern Maryland Posts: 77	Re: Ramsey and McCants Only Joe Gibbs would be able to get away with that kind of move. He's the only coach that Dan Snyder adores that much. He grew up as one of his biggest fans. He respects Gibbs enough to actually let him run the show, where as the other coaches he didn't. __________________ Joe Knows Football... Joe Knows Racing... Joe Knows Championships... Joe Knows...

09-14-2005, 10:20 PM	#15
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Ramsey and McCants Totally agree with you Mephisskin on D'Mack. Everyone talks about him being so great in the red-zone as a receiver, but what I want to know is what is he going to do when we're not in the red-zone. I cannot see a roster spot for a player whose only going to see the field when we get in the red-zone. No ST "nothing" just catch passes when we get down deep, I don't think so, and that's why he's not here.

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