Let's talk about the front office situation

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It's funny that the two Jason's have the most to say about the situation, They seem to also have the most animosity towards the administration. No matter what Snyder would have done they would have spun it negative.

The front office has been a big liability ever since Snyder took over. I think it's a little naive to not at least look at our setup with a critical eye and wonder if we're doing the right thing. The one thing Snyder hasn't tried yet is having a true GM run the show. Personnel is not Allen's strength. If the plan is for Campbell to run the show draft wise and for Brown to run the show regarding pro personnel, and for Allen to more or less rubber stamp their decisions, that could possibly work.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The front office has been a big liability ever since Snyder took over. I think it's a little naive to not at least look at our setup with a critical eye and wonder if we're doing the right thing. The one thing Snyder hasn't tried yet is having a true GM run the show. Personnel is not Allen's strength. If the plan is for Campbell to run the show draft wise and for Brown to run the show regarding pro personnel, and for Allen to more or less rubber stamp their decisions, that could possibly work.

Many Redskins fans are writing off Bruce Allen like he is not a legit executive. His strength is that he is a strong executive and will run the franchise like a business. He will rely on his team to help him make good decisions. Don't be surprised to see AJ Smith and Scott Campbell representing for us at the draft. I hope that we add someone for the 49ers front office staff.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Many Redskins fans are writing off Bruce Allen like he is not a legit executive. His strength is that he is a strong executive and will run the franchise like a business. He will rely on his team to help him make good decisions. Don't be surprised to see AJ Smith and Scott Campbell representing for us at the draft. I hope that we add someone for the 49ers front office staff.

I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.

It doesn't need to be if he utilizes his player personnel directors properly. A good manager makes sure that the people who work for him are smarter than he is at what they do.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anyone denies he's not a strong executive, but personnel isn't his thing.

Every executive has his strengths and weaknesses. Player evaluation is not Bruce's strong suit, that is why AJ is on staff to help him with that.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Many Redskins fans are writing off Bruce Allen like he is not a legit executive. His strength is that he is a strong executive and will run the franchise like a business. He will rely on his team to help him make good decisions. Don't be surprised to see AJ Smith and Scott Campbell representing for us at the draft. I hope that we add someone for the 49ers front office staff.

a good executive in my book means knowing his place in the chain of command.

i really liked how bruce came out and laid things straight yesterday with a seemingly clear and firm game plan. I am worried that as a good executive he will submit to his boss who no one can deny likes to put his hand in the pot and feel like he is doing more than writing checks.

surprised bruce came out and gave mike the verbal middle finger .. i do wonder if that was to please DS by taking a clear shot at mike.

i really dont get why we are knocking shanahan's draft picks. the worst draft pick was a 3rd round OL guy ..... i really liked the roster he put together under the circumstances.


if DS does meddle i am going to be seriously seriously pissed off. this structure and environment as it stands now is ripe for DS meddling.

i think bruce is more a yes man vs sticking up to DS and it scares me

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

a good executive in my book means knowing his place in the chain of command.

i really liked how bruce came out and laid things straight yesterday with a seemingly clear and firm game plan. I am worried that as a good executive he will submit to his boss who no one can deny likes to put his hand in the pot and feel like he is doing more than writing checks.

surprised bruce came out and gave mike the verbal middle finger .. i do wonder if that was to please DS by taking a clear shot at mike.

i really dont get why we are knocking shanahan's draft picks. the worst draft pick was a 3rd round OL guy ..... i really liked the roster he put together under the circumstances.


if DS does meddle i am going to be seriously seriously pissed off. this structure and environment as it stands now is ripe for DS meddling.

i think bruce is more a yes man vs sticking up to DS and it scares me

Is there really much here to like?

2010: Trent Williams and Perry Riley, the other 4 picks are long gone.
2011: Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson, Helu, meh to the rest.
2012: RG3, Morris, Cousins, the rest are mostly weekly inactives.
2013: Amerson, Reed, no impact from the rest.

11 guys worthing noting in 4 drafts? 3 truly impactful guys (Griffin, Trent, Morris). We need to do a lot better in order to really get this team moving in the right direction.

[saden1]

Mr. Allen, I know a boss when I see one and you sir are no boss. For 4 years you were collecting a paycheck as the GM of this team when in reality Shannahan was the GM and you were the GM in name only. Now you want us to believe you are the boss? Is that your jet flying around picking up the Griffins? Is that your limo chauffeuring the wife of a particular player? You and your BOSS disgust me. May the lord save us from your "leadership."

[Redskins_P]

I'm not crazy about the front office structure. I was hoping Bruce was going to announce that either we were promoting someone (Brown/Campbell) within in the organization to GM or that we were going to hire a true GM.

As a fan all I can do is hope that Bruce knows what he's talking about and will make the right decisions.

I just hope that Bruce Allen calling all the shots and having final say doesn't really mean Dan Snyder calling the shots and having final say with Bruce "oking" them.

[SmootSmack]

I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting.

Add Doug Williams? In what role?

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown.

True.

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason.

That is a very good point. Perhaps they don't want to stand in his way if he is offered the opportunity to run a team.

nfm

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think they're done with the front office revamp. I've heard multiple times they want to add Doug Williams, but I think it may be more likely they're looking to add someone currently on a playoff team so they're waiting

When Vinny was in charge it was also said then that he didn't listen to Campbell and Brown

They should have given Brown the title of General Manager because I suspect a few teams will come calling with that offer this offseason

Well I hope they are prepared to give Brown the GM title if need be. I like Bruce Allen a lot. I think he represents the team well around the league but if personnel decisions are not his strong suit then this whole front office is in the toilet without Brown. If they hire a coach and put everything in place and then Brown walks out the door they are screwed. It made way to much sense to just give Bruce the VP title and name Brown GM...

[FRPLG]

Bruce doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would take a job he wasn't very suited for. Especially for this org which he seems to cherish. Leads me to think he wont be doing much personnel work directly but more leading on it.

[JoeRedskin]

So ... Can Allen veto the new HC? If M. Brown says "I want this [UFA] guy" and Campbell says "no, no ... there's a rookie at that position who we can draft with our top pick and who will be better long term" and new HC says "ummm, guys, those are decent enough players but they don't fit what we are trying to do here. I really need X or Y [neither of who MB or SC think is particularly worth the cost]".

It sounds to me that either (1) BA is filling the traditional role of GM -> final say on player acquisitions ; or (2) We will have a multi-headed player acquisition morass with factions and the potential for lots of internal in-fighting.

If (1), then I am okay with it as long as BA is relying on MB and SC for the actual evaluations.

If (2), wash, rinse and repeat of our losing ways. Won't matter who they bring it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So ... Can Allen veto the new HC? If M. Brown says "I want this [UFA] guy" and Campbell says "no, no ... there's a rookie at that position who we can draft with our top pick and who will be better long term" and new HC says "ummm, guys, those are decent enough players but they don't fit what we are trying to do here. I really need X or Y [neither of who MB or SC think is particularly worth the cost]".

It sounds to me that either (1) BA is filling the traditional role of GM -> final say on player acquisitions ; or (2) We will have a multi-headed player acquisition morass with factions and the potential for lots of internal in-fighting.

If (1), then I am okay with it as long as BA is relying on MB and SC for the actual evaluations.

If (2), wash, rinse and repeat of our losing ways. Won't matter who they bring it.

Bruce said that he would make the decisions with input from Brown and Campbell.