Suspicious Minds?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt.

was keeping Brunell in so long last season to make SURE we didn't go to the playoffs about winning? or on some level, personal loyalty to his QB?

if you wanted the best chance to win a *regular season* game and not a practice or preseason 2nd half, why wouldn't you go with the young guy who sparked the offense last year and WON some games for you?

no the most frustrating thing on this board is everyone's severe short term memory, the blind 180s based on the offseason, and peoples utter comfort with a gamble Gibbs ALREADY LOST WITH and is trying again.

[illdefined]

maybe if i ask enough, i'll get an answer?

Originally Posted by illdefined

was keeping Brunell in so long last season and made SURE we didn't go to the playoffs about winning? or on some level, personal loyalty to his QB?

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Even if Brunell 'is so horrible' that a change has to be made, it will be Campbell taking the field, Ramsey (unless an injury occurs in the next 3 games) will never get meaningful snaps as a Redskin again. The coaching staff (not just Gibbs I'm willing to bet) has no confidence in him so if your current QB is 'so horrible' to the point of replacing him I would assume the team is losing games so give your future some game time experience and exposure. Team insiders already say that he is the best QB on the roster anyway.

Campbell is a totally unproven commodity right now. To start him is to, essentially, give up on the season and let it be a learning experience for him. If Brunell is hurt, Ramsey will be back in. However, I firmly believe that if Brunell struggles, as he did last year, he will be allowed to continue to play. No way Gibbs is going to bench him for poor performance. No, he will continue to praise him, defend him, make excuses for him - all the things he was never willing to do for Ramsey.

[56FAN]

You know what would cure all this paranoia? beating dallas. i heard jansen on the radio and he said patrick was still not doing things that the coaching staff wanted him to do.i didn't hear anything in his voice too indicate that this statement was a tongue in cheeck remark.like it or not ramsey and brunell and cambpell are our qb's. let's support them all and leave the rest to gibbs. becuase no matter how much we think we may know or have heard, it isn't the whole story.the thing about relationships is sometimes you have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. you don't then have to tear the house down.let's turn all this venom towards the cowgirls where it belongs.leave chicken little to himself

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

...word was Gibbs was about the only one who wanted Brunell in the organazation at the time he made the move...

Where did this word come from?

[MTK]

I've also heard from an "unnamed source" that the team feels more comfortable with Brunell in there.

So much for these unnamed sources.

Hey an unnamed source says The Warpath is the best website on the internet! It must be true!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've also heard from an "unnamed source" that the team feels more comfortable with Brunell in there.

So much for these unnamed sources.

Hey an unnamed source says The Warpath is the best website on the internet! It must be true!

Yeah I was thinking the same stuff. Unnamed sources are worthless. And lets be honest if this is the best the Post could do in terms of stirring up trouble by using unnamed sources then this doesn't seem like a real big deal from the team stand point. In agroup of 50 or so guys you are always going to have some upset about something. I care more about the team in general and not a couple individual players who are gutless enough to not be named.

[VTSkins897]

wow so you heard that the WR ran an incorrect route on the play? that sorta irks me a little more. to which WR was the pass intended does anybody remember? i also got the feeling that the 'injury' was just an excuse to get brunell in there while only causing a minimal amount of trouble; i just had that feeling.

this is just the type of situation typical of a struggling franchise. these are things that are supposed to be sorted out in the preseason. who'd have thought we only 20 minutes or so to sort things out? way to go.

well i'll complain a bit here but come monday we should all be cheering brunell on.

go skins

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

wow so you heard that the WR ran an incorrect route on the play? that sorta irks me a little more. to which WR was the pass intended does anybody remember? i also got the feeling that the 'injury' was just an excuse to get brunell in there while only causing a minimal amount of trouble; i just had that feeling.

this is just the type of situation typical of a struggling franchise. these are things that are supposed to be sorted out in the preseason. who'd have thought we only 20 minutes or so to sort things out? way to go.

well i'll complain a bit here but come monday we should all be cheering brunell on.

go skins

I don't know if anyone answered your post but the pass looked intended for Patten who was supposed to run a combination route with Moss. I think Moss was running a stop or an out while Patten ran a slant, but Patten never ran a route. As Patten turns toward Ramsey the ball is thrown to the inside and patten is standing their.....Anyway......There is a video clip of this in the forums. I watched it over and over again and it looks like it was NO fault of Ramsey's. Looks like patten is taking a sh**.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also remember he could be the next Big Ben. Ben didn't have to pass a lot, he threw when he had to and relied on his great running game.

[illdefined]

and for the record, i'm NOT bashing Gibbs. i think QB loyalty is admirable actually, i just want to know what Brunell did to get it, and why Ramsey never got to have it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

and for the record, i'm NOT bashing Gibbs. i think QB loyalty is admirable actually, i just want to know what Brunell did to get it, and why Ramsey never got to have it.

Loyalty is part of it, but to Gibbs he thought Brunell was the right guy for the job and the guy that could help lead us to wins.

I highly doubt he stuck by Brunell so long simply because he likes Brunell.

Loyalty is one thing, but to say that he has a personal agenda to prove to everyone that he made the right decision in bringing in Brunell is really a stretch of the imagination, and pretty insulting to a man the caliber of Gibbs who above anything, wants to make the Redskins winners.

Gibbs inherited Ramsey, simple as that. From day one he obviously hasn't felt he was the right guy for his offense.

[scowan]

I kind of differ with most of you on this board who think that if Brunell struggles, he will be given a long leash. I don't think he will. I mean how much faith does the team retain in their coach if Brunell comes in and throw 3 picks on Monday night and then starts in Week 4 against the Seahawks. Now I say this with the realization that Brunell will probably never throw 3 picks in a game, he will just throw it away like we all watched him do last year, which is frustrating as hell, but if he struggles to make plays, I don't think he stays in there for 9 games like he did last year. Something will have to happen. I REALLY DON'T CARE WHO THE QB IS, I JUST WANT AT LEAST 21 POINTS!!!! JEEEEEZZZZ!

[Hog1]

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

I would agree with you about the possibility of Ramsey getting his job back, were it not for the drafting of Campbell. Let's not forget what Gibbs has done from the first day he came back in terms of QBs. First, Gibbs immediately pursued the aging Brunell and signed him to an absurdly large contract which even the most ardent of Brunell/Gibbs devotees must admit is a joke. Next year, he gives up the barn to get Campbell. That's a 1-2 punch and, to me, clearly indicates he doesn't plan on having Ramsey be a part of this team much beyond this year.