Let's talk OTA's

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This whole knee brace thing is so overblown. Many Qb's play with them. It's not that big of a deal to wear one and it should never mess up a QB's mechanics. Especially today where they so much lighter than they were in the 80's.

Well I have worn a brace like that and it completely restricts your leg movement. Harder to run, cant hit that top speed, it is laboring to say the least.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Well I have worn a brace like that and it completely restricts your leg movement. Harder to run, cant hit that top speed, it is laboring to say the least.

Plus it's a constant reminder in the back of your head that your knee isn't 100%. Combine all that and it's definitely understandable that his mechanics were impacted.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Plus it's a constant reminder in the back of your head that your knee isn't 100%. Combine all that and it's definitely understandable that his mechanics were impacted.

But no Matty, it is no big deal remember? Adding an additional 10 lbs to your leg makes no difference at all.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

But no Matty, it is no big deal remember? Adding an additional 10 lbs to your leg makes no difference at all.

When running I would agree. It's not a big deal when it comes to throwing, if you're mechanics are already solid. In the end, what hurt RG3 last year was not having an off-season, not the brace.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

When running I would agree. It's not a big deal when it comes to throwing, if you're mechanics are already solid. In the end, what hurt RG3 last year was not having an off-season, not the brace.

While I agree, mostly, what hurt RG3 was not having an offseason, that brace did limit his mobility and had to have affected his throwing mechanics at least slightly.

[MTK]

Seems that working with a wider base screwed him up more than anything. Going back to what he's more comfortable with and holding the ball higher should help a lot.

[SirLK26]

@Earthquake...

Look, we're coming off of a 3-13 season where we sucked as bad as anyone. Horrible STs; poor O-line; poor secondary; mediocre QB play; and, outside of Garcon, poor receiver play, to name just a few issues. Now we have a rookie head coach, and we're going to be playing in an all-around improved division. Forgive me if I'm not predicting 12 wins.

As for the other NFC teams, not sure what you're basing your opinions off of. That Seattle playoff game was in 2012, and they're quite a bit better now(at least, they were last season); the last time we played the Saints was in 2012 when Sean Payton was suspended; Arizona plays in a much tougher division and still finished with a much better record than we had; and San Francisco beat us soundly last year.

I don't think we're going to blow this season, but we won't be among the best in the NFC either. I'd say 9-7 is the most realistic. Like I said before, if things come together the way they're supposed to, a division title push is possible, but we're not among the best teams in the NFC. Not even top 5. That's what I meant when I said we won't make much noise.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

@Earthquake...

Look, we're coming off of a 3-13 season where we sucked as bad as anyone. Horrible STs; poor O-line; poor secondary; mediocre QB play; and, outside of Garcon, poor receiver play, to name just a few issues. Now we have a rookie head coach, and we're going to be playing in an all-around improved division. Forgive me if I'm not predicting 12 wins.

As for the other NFC teams, not sure what you're basing your opinions off of. That Seattle playoff game was in 2012, and they're quite a bit better now(at least, they were last season); the last time we played the Saints was in 2012 when Sean Payton was suspended; Arizona plays in a much tougher division and still finished with a much better record than we had; and San Francisco beat us soundly last year.

I don't think we're going to blow this season, but we won't be among the best in the NFC either. I'd say 9-7 is the most realistic. Like I said before, if things come together the way they're supposed to, a division title push is possible, but we're not among the best teams in the NFC. Not even top 5. That's what I meant when I said we won't make much noise.

Yes, we were 3-13 but how much of that was the fact that the team had seemed to give up on the coach that will remain nameless. But we were 10-6 just the year before. All you have to do is get to the playoffs then everyone has a chance. I think anywhere from 7-9 to 10-6 to 11-5 is possible depening on how our defense improves and offense looks. I just dont think we were really 3-13 bad last season. We were bad dont get me wrong, but a lot of those losses just seemed like the team just gave up from the opening kick

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Yes, we were 3-13 but how much of that was the fact that the team had seemed to give up on the coach that will remain nameless. But we were 10-6 just the year before. All you have to do is get to the playoffs then everyone has a chance. I think anywhere from 7-9 to 10-6 to 11-5 is possible depening on how our defense improves and offense looks. I just dont think we were really 3-13 bad last season. We were bad dont get me wrong, but a lot of those losses just seemed like the team just gave up from the opening kick

I think the team giving up on Shanahan played a fairly significant part in it, especially in the last 3 games. But I'll have to see a winning product before I believe it, because we were still a horrible team.

An interesting factoid that gives me a little more faith in Jay - he's a winner. In 31 seasons as a pro QB(UFL, AFL, WLAF), HC, and assistant coach, he's had 3 losing seasons. 3. In 31. It gets a little more interesting... all 3 of those losing seasons came when he was an assistant coach to Jon. Is Jon on this staff? Nope! Pass me the Kool-Aid! <sarc>

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I think the team giving up on Shanahan played a fairly significant part in it, especially in the last 3 games. But I'll have to see a winning product before I believe it, because we were still a horrible team.

An interesting factoid that gives me a little more faith in Jay - he's a winner. In 31 seasons as a pro QB(UFL, AFL, WLAF), HC, and assistant coach, he's had 3 losing seasons. 3. In 31. It gets a little more interesting... all 3 of those losing seasons came when he was an assistant coach to Jon. Is Jon on this staff? Nope! Pass me the Kool-Aid! <sarc>

I think the first 4 games last year were on Griffin and Shanahan, hindsight being what it is, you don't bring Griffin in cold, either play him in preseason, or give him to the bye to get ready. Then the last 4 games the team just wasn't playing - blame whoever for that, but it was clear that the lack of effort wasn't there. That said, they were definitely a horrible team. I don't think we see anything like that team this year.

Great factoid. I think Gruden is going to shine here. The core players are settled enough to ride the roughest waves a new coach might face (especially after last year), and hungry enough to listen to new voices. And although he hasn't been an NFL head coach, he has coached semi pro teams to wins. That's an important fact. Put another way he has led grown men to championships as a HC. He must have some idea of how to motivate and lead. I will be terribly disappointed if we don't see good things all season long. And I don't want another season of disappointment!

[Chico23231]

I believe in the last 4 years, each team in our division has won it. We certainly have a chance to win this division this year, and yes, very pissed if we dont make the playoffs.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I believe in the last 4 years, each team in our division has won it. We certainly have a chance to win this division this year, and yes, very pissed if we dont make the playoffs.

Your own post contradicts itself.

First, we know our division sucks. Given the strength of the NFC West with the Seahawks, 49ers and improving Cardinals, and the strength of the AFC South with the Panthers and Brees' Saints, you can't possibly like the NFC East's chances of picking up a wild card. The route to the playoffs goes through the division title.

And yes, anybody can win this division. If you follow your 4 teams in the last 4 years have won the division - I'm not sure that's true but I get your point - the division is completely up for grabs. So that gives us a 25% chance of winning it.

So you'd be pissed if something that has a 25% chance of happening doesn't come true? You must be a nightmare in a casino.

You sound like an irrational fan who doesn't have a firm grip on reality.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Your own post contradicts itself.

First, we know our division sucks. Given the strength of the NFC West with the Seahawks, 49ers and improving Cardinals, and the strength of the AFC South with the Panthers and Brees' Saints, you can't possibly like the NFC East's chances of picking up a wild card. The route to the playoffs goes through the division title.

And yes, anybody can win this division. If you follow your 4 teams in the last 4 years have won the division - I'm not sure that's true but I get your point - the division is completely up for grabs. So that gives us a 25% chance of winning it.

So you'd be pissed if something that has a 25% chance of happening doesn't come true? You must be a nightmare in a casino.

You sound like an irrational fan who doesn't have a firm grip on reality.

Irrational fan because I'm pissed if we don't make the playoffs? Those same breaks are are needed by every team across the league and yeah it makes sense the wildcard won't come from the east but not a given.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Irrational fan because I'm pissed if we don't make the playoffs? Those same breaks are are needed by every team across the league and yeah it makes sense the wildcard won't come from the east but not a given.

Yes, irrational. If you recognize that our chances are 25 percent to win the division, and maybe 5 percent to win the wildcard, then you understand our chances of missing are 70 percent, meaning it is unlikely we make the playoffs.

If you get pissed at an expected result, you're not only irrational, you're a fool.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, irrational. If you recognize that our chances are 25 percent to win the division, and maybe 5 percent to win the wildcard, then you understand our chances of missing are 70 percent, meaning it is unlikely we make the playoffs.

If you get pissed at an expected result, you're not only irrational, you're a fool.

Don't stop there Schneed, keep the insults rolling. Jeez, didn't know my original post was so damn offensive. Guess I'm just a dumb fuck right? Rg3 stays healthy, and defense plays middle of the road or better, special teams can't play worse, playoffs easily within our reach.