Redskins Trademark cancelled

[tshile]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know about white liberals but I heard Amanda Blackhorse, an Indian, say on NPR that in her opinion the logo was worse than the name.

Interesting... considering the log is the only think that came directly from the Native Americans.

[mitch e]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know about white liberals but I heard Amanda Blackhorse, an Indian, say on NPR that in her opinion the logo was worse than the name.

Than maybe she should take it up with the Indian Tribe that made the logo in the first place.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know about white liberals but I heard Amanda Blackhorse, an Indian, say on NPR that in her opinion the logo was worse than the name.

Well.....there's one indian who does not like the name/logo.
I wonder how many Indians there are in this country?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know about white liberals but I heard Amanda Blackhorse, an Indian, say on NPR that in her opinion the logo was worse than the name.

The name is debatable but I really don't get why the logo would be objectionable to anyone. I think it represents Native Americans as confident and proud. That's a good thing, right?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The name is debatable but I really don't get why the logo would be objectionable to anyone. I think it represents Native Americans as confident and proud. That's a good thing, right?

Its pointless whether its meant to be a good thing or not.
Its a way for the Redskin haters to feck with us en masse.
They dont care about indians either.
I doubt Harry Ried lives in a wigwam.
We're a corporation and the meta gamers are going to find any way they can to undermine us.

[irish]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The name is debatable but I really don't get why the logo would be objectionable to anyone. I think it represents Native Americans as confident and proud. That's a good thing, right?

I dont think anyone objects to the logo, its the logo combined with the name that's the issue. That's why I think they should just stop using the name. Dont change it, just stop using it. Heck they can even keep the official name of the team as the Washington Redskins but just dont use the name on merchandise. Keep the logo and the colors, but dont change the name, just dont use it anymore.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think anyone objects to the logo, its the logo combined with the name that's the issue. That's why I think they should just stop using the name. Dont change it, just stop using it. Heck they can even keep the official name of the team as the Washington Redskins but just dont use the name on merchandise. Keep the logo and the colors, but dont change the name, just dont use it anymore.

As noted above, one of the most well known PC whiners claims the logo is more objectionable than the name. Sure.

Virginia/Maryland Pioneers/Colonists/Rangers/Cavaliers lol seems the way to go if they have to change the name.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The name is debatable but I really don't get why the logo would be objectionable to anyone. I think it represents Native Americans as confident and proud. That's a good thing, right?

I think that Amanda Blackhorse's opposition is that the logo represents a frozen stereotype which doesn't represent most dynamic 21st century Indians. But I am just surmising this from the rest of her argument - she didn't flat out say this when I was listening. And I am not offering my agreement, just summarizing her voice.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think that Amanda Blackhorse's opposition is that the logo represents a frozen stereotype which doesn't represent most dynamic 21st century Indians. But I am just surmising this from the rest of her argument - she didn't flat out say this when I was listening. And I am not offering my agreement, just summarizing her voice.

She's gotta understand that many mascot names/logos of the NFL and other leagues represent times in history. Why does the logo have to represent the 21st century Native American? The Patriots' logo does not represent the 21st century Patriot. The Vikings logo most certainly doesn't. The 49er's mascot name represents the gold rush back in the 1800's for Pete's sake. These names are often created from a piece of this country (and that general area's) history, and doesn't have to be updated to reflect modern culture. Progressive thinking doesn't mean tossing history aside like a worn out pair of shoes.

In my opinion, I think it's great having historic names and symbols used in professional sports - especially if your children are watching the games with you. It gives you a chance to teach them about where the names came from and history itself. Because Lord knows, there are plenty special interest groups like this one who's sole purpose is to revise history and leave out parts that might "offend" someone. Please! History isn't all roses and ice-cream. Much of it is quite bloody - just like football.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that when you see the Cowboys and Redskins on the field, they are going into "battle" against each other. It's almost like going to a reenactment of a historic war battle. Most of these NFL names represent some type of warrior or solider - whether human or animal (Patriots/Bears), and most represent a specific time period. Heck, the way people keep revising history, the NFL might be the only place to get a history lesson from.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

It's ANY kind of American Indian imagery - ultimately the people who oppose it oppose all of it.
Chicago Blackhawks logo requires continued conversation about team's identity versus appropriation - ESPN Chicago

There is absolutely NO WAY we change the name but keep the logo.

[Chico23231]

Im sorry but I have to share this rediculous garbage:

Mike Wise: ‘Daniel Snyder Just Wants To Be Right’ « The Morning Show – CBS Sports Radio

"It appears Snyder doesn’t notice the angry fans, either.

“There’s just a fatigue in the fan base now where they’re tired of players being asked about it, (and) they’re tired of the team spending millions (on lawyers and) lobbyists to defend it,” Wise said. “They’re sort of (tired of it).”

And what would happen if Washington actually won a Super Bowl? What if there’s a parade down Constitution Avenue? That would be arguably the most controversial victory parade in sports history.

“Do we want to sully future memories?” Wise asked. “Do we want protestors off to the side yelling at our players and our fans?”


Seriously?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im sorry but I have to share this rediculous garbage:

Mike Wise: ‘Daniel Snyder Just Wants To Be Right’ « The Morning Show – CBS Sports Radio

"It appears Snyder doesn’t notice the angry fans, either.

“There’s just a fatigue in the fan base now where they’re tired of players being asked about it, (and) they’re tired of the team spending millions (on lawyers and) lobbyists to defend it,” Wise said. “They’re sort of (tired of it).”

And what would happen if Washington actually won a Super Bowl? What if there’s a parade down Constitution Avenue? That would be arguably the most controversial victory parade in sports history.

“Do we want to sully future memories?” Wise asked. “Do we want protestors off to the side yelling at our players and our fans?”


Seriously?

I'm not staunchly opposed to changing the name, but people like Mike Wise make me staunchly opposed to him. He's a loathsome creature

[ArtMonkDrillz]

If Mike Wise threw a rock at a hornets' nest he'd be shocked when they tried to sting him.

[MTK]

I'm tired of Mike Wise

[12thMan]

Liberals suck. I'm so over it.