Time to revisit my April post...

BigRed · 09-23-2005, 10:44 AM

In April, I suggested that we try and trade Patrick Ramsey while we could still get some value for him. I still feel like it's a good idea, especially at this point. It is very well known that Detroit is looking for a QB... maybe we can ship him off to there for one of their receivers...

I'm sure there are other teams looking for a potential starter, too. (Or at least an experience backup.) He's not the future here, and barring a major injury, it won't be a good sign for the team if he goes into play anyway. (It likely means a losing streak of some magnitude for that to happen...) Even then, I think we're more likely to see Campbell if we really struggle at some point anyway.

I just don't know. It's just my 2 cents and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

MTK · 09-23-2005, 11:17 AM

I doubt a deal would happen during the season.

That would really leave us thin at QB.

12thMan · 09-23-2005, 11:19 AM

It would be nice if they would unload one of those receivers - God knows they need a quaterback. But which one of those 1st rounders would they give us for Ramsey? Rodgers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams.....don't see it happening.

That Guy · 09-23-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed

In April, I suggested that we try and trade Patrick Ramsey while we could still get some value for him. I still feel like it's a good idea, especially at this point. It is very well known that Detroit is looking for a QB... maybe we can ship him off to there for one of their receivers...

I'm sure there are other teams looking for a potential starter, too. (Or at least an experience backup.) He's not the future here, and barring a major injury, it won't be a good sign for the team if he goes into play anyway. (It likely means a losing streak of some magnitude for that to happen...) Even then, I think we're more likely to see Campbell if we really struggle at some point anyway.

I just don't know. It's just my 2 cents and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

because of the different systems, mid-season QB trades are extremely rare, and its very hard to insert them immediately into the lineup.

plus, detriot will have garcia back in a couple weeks, and he knows that offense extremely well and he's a better QB for them right now.

baltimore, detroit, cleveland and possibly miami will need a QB for next year though.

detroit really needs to upgrade its oline and playcalling though, those are bigger problems than their QB.

BrudLee · 09-23-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed

In April, I suggested that we try and trade Patrick Ramsey while we could still get some value for him. I still feel like it's a good idea, especially at this point. It is very well known that Detroit is looking for a QB... maybe we can ship him off to there for one of their receivers...

I'm sure there are other teams looking for a potential starter, too. (Or at least an experience backup.) He's not the future here, and barring a major injury, it won't be a good sign for the team if he goes into play anyway. (It likely means a losing streak of some magnitude for that to happen...) Even then, I think we're more likely to see Campbell if we really struggle at some point anyway.

I just don't know. It's just my 2 cents and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

I heard a tease on Fox Sports Radio that there was a potential suitor for Ramsey, but the signal faded before I got the story. Detroit would be a good fit for him, if Mooch thinks he can make it work. I doubt they'd be willing to part with one of their top three receivers, though, and I don't see a pressing need for Kevin Johnson on our roster.

Given the loss of Brandon Noble for this season, maybe we should press for a d-lineman? Marcus Bell is a five year veteran DT who is probably 4th in the Lions depth chart, and doesn't suck outright. Either line depth or a draft pick, in my eyes.

jamf · 09-23-2005, 01:36 PM

There was a report on NFL channel a few weeks ago(when we benched ramsey) that said the dolphins offered their number 1 this year. 3 or 4th overall!!!!! we really messed that one up...

celts32 · 09-23-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

There was a report on NFL channel a few weeks ago(when we benched ramsey) that said the dolphins offered their number 1 this year. 3 or 4th overall!!!!! we really messed that one up...

That offer was made over a year ago after the skins signed Brunell and before the phins traded for AJ Feeley. Ramsey has no where near that kind of value now.

As for a lions trade that would really surprise me since Ramsey has shown not much more promise than Harrington since coming into the league. I would even trade Ramsey for Harrington in hopes that a change of scenery will help both of them. there is no way detroit would trade one of those WR's for Ramsey.

56FAN · 09-23-2005, 03:50 PM

i agree with celt32, also if you remember the opinion of ramsey sounded out be the nfl after his latest benching seems to have really dropped, potential yea but a real lack of progress and bad choices have hurt his value to us as well as the rest of the league.i still really like him but i wonder if he just needs a change. really hope it works out.

skinsguy · 09-23-2005, 05:10 PM

Nah...I don't see a trade of Ramsey in the works this year. Maybe next year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't back on the team.

Fan4Life · 09-23-2005, 08:23 PM

I still dont know why the media hasnt jumped on this. On monday night countdown a reporter came from the skins locker room and said if MB gets hurt PR will finish the game, but if MB is out for any lenght of time J Cambell will get the start. If that isnt enough proof of PR tenure I dont know what is.

Beemnseven · 09-23-2005, 08:43 PM

Whether it happens this season or next off-season is inconsequential. Patrick Ramsey has all the trade value that Rod Gardner did after the 2004 season. Everybody knows he's damaged goods, that Gibbs doesn't want him, that he has no future with this team.

That translates to a 5th to 7th round pick in exchange at best.

Summo · 09-23-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I doubt a deal would happen during the season.

That would really leave us thin at QB.

Ahh, heck trade him and we can sign 'ol Vinny Testaverde, lol

offiss · 09-24-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Summo

Ahh, heck trade him and we can sign 'ol Vinny Testaverde, lol

Yea, we can give him 43 mil as well.

Every scout in the league knows we are running a joke of an offensive scheme, and Patricks demise is a product of the inability of Gibbs to coach offense in today's game, so I believe there are plenty of teams who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, Gus Ferotte is starting in miami, you can't tell me they aren't interested, I do not believe Tampa is sold on there QB situation, You also have the Cardinals, Bears, Detroit, Browns, Ravens, all need an upgrade at QB, if Patrick went on the market I believe we could get decent value, not because Gibbs know's what he has in Ramsey, but because of the competition between potential suiters will drive up his price.

illdefined · 09-24-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Every scout in the league knows we are running a joke of an offensive scheme, and Patricks demise is a product of the inability of Gibbs to coach offense in today's game, so I believe there are plenty of teams who would love to get their hands on Ramsey, Gus Ferotte is starting in miami, you can't tell me they aren't interested, I do not believe Tampa is sold on there QB situation, You also have the Cardinals, Bears, Detroit, Browns, Ravens, all need an upgrade at QB, if Patrick went on the market I believe we could get decent value, not because Gibbs know's what he has in Ramsey, but because of the competition between potential suiters will drive up his price.

heh, but how do you really feel?

MTK · 09-24-2005, 01:27 AM

I think it's hard to say what Ramsey's value would be.

Despite the fact he's been yanked in and out of our lineup, there's also a view out there that he's simply not very good.

Scouts have said that he holds on to the ball too long, he doesn't read defenses all that well, he has problems with accuracy & touch, and he's simply not progressing. Kinda hard to argue with those opinions, we've seen all of that in his 4 years here.

I think a first rounder is definitely out of the question, a 2nd rounder maybe... but more likely a 3rd or lower.

09-23-2005, 10:44 AM	#1
BigRed Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 50 Posts: 67	Time to revisit my April post... In April, I suggested that we try and trade Patrick Ramsey while we could still get some value for him. I still feel like it's a good idea, especially at this point. It is very well known that Detroit is looking for a QB... maybe we can ship him off to there for one of their receivers... I'm sure there are other teams looking for a potential starter, too. (Or at least an experience backup.) He's not the future here, and barring a major injury, it won't be a good sign for the team if he goes into play anyway. (It likely means a losing streak of some magnitude for that to happen...) Even then, I think we're more likely to see Campbell if we really struggle at some point anyway. I just don't know. It's just my 2 cents and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

09-23-2005, 11:17 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Time to revisit my April post... I doubt a deal would happen during the season. That would really leave us thin at QB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-23-2005, 11:19 AM	#3
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Time to revisit my April post... It would be nice if they would unload one of those receivers - God knows they need a quaterback. But which one of those 1st rounders would they give us for Ramsey? Rodgers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams.....don't see it happening.

09-23-2005, 01:36 PM	#6
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,319	Re: Time to revisit my April post... There was a report on NFL channel a few weeks ago(when we benched ramsey) that said the dolphins offered their number 1 this year. 3 or 4th overall!!!!! we really messed that one up...

09-23-2005, 03:50 PM	#8
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: Time to revisit my April post... i agree with celt32, also if you remember the opinion of ramsey sounded out be the nfl after his latest benching seems to have really dropped, potential yea but a real lack of progress and bad choices have hurt his value to us as well as the rest of the league.i still really like him but i wonder if he just needs a change. really hope it works out.

09-23-2005, 05:10 PM	#9
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Time to revisit my April post... Nah...I don't see a trade of Ramsey in the works this year. Maybe next year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't back on the team. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

09-23-2005, 08:23 PM	#10
Fan4Life Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 57 Posts: 67	Re: Time to revisit my April post... I still dont know why the media hasnt jumped on this. On monday night countdown a reporter came from the skins locker room and said if MB gets hurt PR will finish the game, but if MB is out for any lenght of time J Cambell will get the start. If that isnt enough proof of PR tenure I dont know what is.

09-23-2005, 08:43 PM	#11
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Time to revisit my April post... Whether it happens this season or next off-season is inconsequential. Patrick Ramsey has all the trade value that Rod Gardner did after the 2004 season. Everybody knows he's damaged goods, that Gibbs doesn't want him, that he has no future with this team. That translates to a 5th to 7th round pick in exchange at best.

09-24-2005, 01:27 AM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Time to revisit my April post... I think it's hard to say what Ramsey's value would be. Despite the fact he's been yanked in and out of our lineup, there's also a view out there that he's simply not very good. Scouts have said that he holds on to the ball too long, he doesn't read defenses all that well, he has problems with accuracy & touch, and he's simply not progressing. Kinda hard to argue with those opinions, we've seen all of that in his 4 years here. I think a first rounder is definitely out of the question, a 2nd rounder maybe... but more likely a 3rd or lower. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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