Expectations for the rest of the season...

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Do you really want to go down the list and name coaches that took over bad teams and had bad first years?

It could be pretty fun. Here's the recent list of coaches taking over teams with a bad record and turning things around in just one season:

- Reid in KC
- Caldwell in Detroit
- Pettine in Cleveland

There's got to be more, I'm too busy to research right now.

Again, Gruden hasn't shown any indication he's anywhere near ready to be a pro HC. Sloppy, unprepared and often unmotivated team, especially his unit on offense.

His x's and o's are maybe worse than leadership qualities too, but that was issue going back to Cincy and nobody should be surprised there.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

It could be pretty fun. Here's the recent list of coaches taking over teams with a bad record and turning things around in just one season:

- Reid in KC
- Caldwell in Detroit
- Pettine in Cleveland

There's got to be more, I'm too busy to research right now.

Again, Gruden hasn't shown any indication he's anywhere near ready to be a pro HC. Sloppy, unprepared and often unmotivated team, especially his unit on offense.

His x's and o's are maybe worse than leadership qualities too, but that was issue going back to Cincy and nobody should be surprised there.

KC was LOADED with talent, with something like 8 guys in the Pro Bowl from the team that Reid inherited. Same story with Caldwell inheriting a loaded roster in Detroit. Of note, both KC and Detroit have elite players on their D-lines, and both get solid play out of the QB position. Reid does deserve credit for signing Alex Smith as one of his first official moves in KC. As for Pettine, he seems to be doing it with smoke and mirrors, and I don't expect Cleveland to stay atop their division.

[punch it in]

Gruden definitely needs atleast one more year. Hell if we win one more game we are improved. That being said BA should be removed. Id rather be in cap hell with no draft picks and semi respectable than have money to spend and field 3 win teams as a result of it. This is by far the worst two year period in possibly redskin history that we are on the verge of. Griff no longer looks like the phoenix that will rise from the ashes and take us to the promised land either.

[Evilgrin]

They crapped all over themselves in FA again this year.

[Chico23231]

Cleveland is flying by the seat of their pants and they have no clue whats gonna happen week to week. AFC north is all tied up and the Browns arent coming out on top of that division.

[skinsfan69]

I DO NOT want to see anymore of Ryan Clark. There is no more use for him to be on the field. Put in Thomas and some of the other young guys in the secondary.

[JoeRedskin]

Been following the tweets from Gruden's press conference today. Say what you will, the man shoot straight from the hip.

Responding to D.Jax's post on Instagram (Can't be epic with basic ****"): Addressed the comments with the team. Agreed that they were aimed at RG3.

As to RGIII's comments that the everyone the team needs to look in the mirror: RGIII needs to worry about himself. It's Gruden's job to worry about the team.

On RGIII's play:
- Screwing up basics. Not anywhere close to where he needs to be. Taking 5 step drops on 3 step routes. Not moving up in the pocket when he should. Footwork really bad.
- His overthrows to D.Jax were big plays. TBay hit their plays to Evans, needed to hit ours to D.Jax;

Ian Rappaport: "I can't say I have ever heard a head coach talk about his QB like Jay Gruden just did about RGIII. Very, very real stuff."

B. McHenry: "Look at the massive rift between RG3 & Shanahan behind closed doors. Gruden went hard publicly. Interesting to see how Griffin handles."

Huge fan of RG3 - but, yup. Sit down, shut up, & play hard. Stop tweeting about haters and improve your footwork and pocket presence. Learn your position before telling others they need to improve theirs.

Bigger fan of Gruden. He may fail here, but the man stepped it up and said. "My team. My calls."

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Been following the tweets from Gruden's press conference today. Say what you will, the man shoot straight from the hip.



Responding to D.Jax's post on Instagram (Can't be epic with basic ****"): Addressed the comments with the team. Agreed that they were aimed at RG3.



As to RGIII's comments that the everyone the team needs to look in the mirror: RGIII needs to worry about himself. It's Gruden's job to worry about the team.



On RGIII's play:

- Screwing up basics. Not anywhere close to where he needs to be. Taking 5 step drops on 3 step routes. Not moving up in the pocket when he should. Footwork really bad.

- His overthrows to D.Jax were big plays. TBay hit their plays to Evans, needed to hit ours to D.Jax;



Ian Rappaport: "I can't say I have ever heard a head coach talk about his QB like Jay Gruden just did about RGIII. Very, very real stuff."



B. McHenry: "Look at the massive rift between RG3 & Shanahan behind closed doors. Gruden went hard publicly. Interesting to see how Griffin handles."



Huge fan of RG3 - but, yup. Sit down, shut up, & play hard. Stop tweeting about haters and improve your footwork and pocket presence. Learn your position before telling others they need to improve theirs.



Bigger fan of Gruden. He may fail here, but the man stepped it up and said. "My team. My calls."

No reason he shouldnt tell it how it is. Like you said Griff should have one worry - his game.

[calia]

I agree and disagree -- RGIII surely needs to focus on his own game, but as the QB, he has responsibility for movement and positioning of other guys on offense and leading in the huddle, and so he has to lead there and make sure others are on the same page with him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Been following the tweets from Gruden's press conference today. Say what you will, the man shoot straight from the hip.

Responding to D.Jax's post on Instagram (Can't be epic with basic ****"): Addressed the comments with the team. Agreed that they were aimed at RG3.

As to RGIII's comments that the everyone the team needs to look in the mirror: RGIII needs to worry about himself. It's Gruden's job to worry about the team.

On RGIII's play:
- Screwing up basics. Not anywhere close to where he needs to be. Taking 5 step drops on 3 step routes. Not moving up in the pocket when he should. Footwork really bad.
- His overthrows to D.Jax were big plays. TBay hit their plays to Evans, needed to hit ours to D.Jax;

Ian Rappaport: "I can't say I have ever heard a head coach talk about his QB like Jay Gruden just did about RGIII. Very, very real stuff."

B. McHenry: "Look at the massive rift between RG3 & Shanahan behind closed doors. Gruden went hard publicly. Interesting to see how Griffin handles."

Huge fan of RG3 - but, yup. Sit down, shut up, & play hard. Stop tweeting about haters and improve your footwork and pocket presence. Learn your position before telling others they need to improve theirs.

Bigger fan of Gruden. He may fail here, but the man stepped it up and said. "My team. My calls."

While I dont mind hearing it, but damn Gruden is feeding the trolls. Because now RG3 is gonna face more questions about stuff like the lockerroom, etc. Drama drama drama

[Kope]

by bringing the bullshit into the open then there is less drama. It is hard to troll the truth. Now he just needs to sit RG.3 and try to get the rest of the team back to buying in - which they were after Dallas; meaning he has to follow through. It might not be this week but it needs to be soon.

RG.3 needs to shut his mouth too. He is coming across as a spoiled baby every time he speaks to the press; no way grown men will follow that bullshit.

It is pretty clear to me....team fixes Captain Kirk and the Starship Interception (who ever used that first props and thanks)

McCoy comes in wins 2 games by not shitting his pants in the pocket, all looks well....

RGMe takes the helm and starts calling audibles in whinese and the team says @#$% you

That is a simple way to look at it, but I don't think it is far off....

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Kope

by bringing the bullshit into the open then there is less drama. It is hard to troll the truth. Now he just needs to sit RG.3 and try to get the rest of the team back to buying in - which they were after Dallas; meaning he has to follow through. It might not be this week but it needs to be soon.



RG.3 needs to shut his mouth too. He is coming across as a spoiled baby every time he speaks to the press; no way grown men will follow that bullshit.



It is pretty clear to me....team fixes Captain Kirk and the Starship Interception (who ever used that first props and thanks)



McCoy comes in wins 2 games by not shitting his pants in the pocket, all looks well....



RGMe takes the helm and starts calling audibles in whinese and the team says @#$% you



That is a simple way to look at it, but I don't think it is far off....

Watch the press conference. His comments were completely misconstrued. He was asked about his 2012 campaign. In sticking with his modest demeanor he said that it was teamwork. In other words it was not all him. Than simply said that it has to be the same now in so many words. Nothing wrong with that at all. What did he say that sounded like a spoiled baby??
Edit: yes he has to play better - waaay better. However I have absolutely no problem with the post game stuff.....except the hat has to go.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

While I dont mind hearing it, but damn Gruden is feeding the trolls. Because now RG3 is gonna face more questions about stuff like the lockerroom, etc. Drama drama drama

Agreed, this "straight shooter" BS isn't going to help things calm down. The whole damn team needs less talk and more action.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed, this "straight shooter" BS isn't going to help things calm down. The whole damn team needs less talk and more action.

We've already tried the "we're a team, we win and lose together." Kinda done with it. Need some accountability to the leaders. I'm seeing very few folks go out there and win their match ups. Throw them all to the wolves. I'm sure RG3 will, yet again, run to twitter and talk about proving all his doubters wrong. He played terrible. The OL played terrible. Ryan Clark played Terrible.

Outside DeSean Jackson, Andre Roberts, Amerson, Breeland and Way. I don't see much on this team. I can deal with losses. I can't deal with beating ourselves as we do week in week out. The only thing I can count on with this team, is that at least once per game the defense will leave a receiver completely uncovered.

[Rotten1980]

Couple answers:

I didn't mention anything about Gibbs, not sure who that was?

I never want Vinnie here again, my point was Bruce Allen has actually been worse in terms of the GM/personnel situation. Time to restructure the FO is what I'm saying.

Not sure what y'all are seeing in Gruden that deserves another year.