49ers Postgame Thread

[Defensewins]

What happened to the good old days when a young QB that is not ready mentally to run a pro system sat on the bench and took the time to learn? Mentored by his coaches and other Qb's on the roster. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Steve Young, it worked for our Joe Theismann and Mark Rypien and countless others.

For an NFL that profits $9 billion a year and for our team that is (what?) the second most profitable team team in the NFL; we can not wait? Why?
I guess Snyder has his panty's is a bunch?
I feel if RGIII had been given the time to sit after his ACL injury and allowed to start when he good physically and mentally ready we would most likely not be in the predicament. When I say mentally ready that means breaking him of all of his old bad habits and teaching him to run a pro system. Instead he was rushed back in.
Even now when it is clear RGIII is not mentally ready to run a Pro offense, we can not sit him because DS feels we have to WIN THE FUCKING RAMS TRADE!
Impatient little minds made this problem. Impatient little minds make it continue to happen.
RGIII is not going to play his way out to this. It takes coaching and breaking a ton of old bad habits he has had since his early playing days where he was always by far the best player on the field. Now that he is not the best player on the field and he can not win with just his athleticism he has hit a wall. NFL defenses will eat him up and spit him out until he learns to be a pro QB. .

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

What happened to the good old days when a young QB that is not ready mentally to run a pro system sat on the bench and took the time to learn? Mentored by his coaches and other Qb's on the roster. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Steve Young, it worked for our Joe Theismann and Mark Rypien and countless others.



For an NFL that profits $9 billion a year and for our team that is (what?) the second most profitable team team in the NFL, we can not wait? Why?

I guess Snyder has his panty's is a bunch?

I feel if RGIII had been given the time to sit after his ACL injury and allowed to start when he good and ready, we would most likely not be in the predicament. Instead he was rushed back in.

Even now when it is clear RGIII is not mentally ready to run a Pro offense, we can not sit him because DS feels we have to WIN THE FUCKING RAMS TRADE!

Impatient little minds made this problem. Impatient little minds make it continue to happen.

RGIII is not going to play his way out to this. It takes coaching and breaking a ton of old bad habits he has had since his early playing days where he was always by far the best player on the field. Now that he is not the best player on the field and he can not win with just his athleticism he has hit a wall. NFL defenses will eat him up and spit him out.

We dont have Favre, or Montana to mentor anyone. We have Colt Mccoy. Rypien was a success because he had a boat load of hall of famers all around him. Otherwise he was a nobody. Also Steve Young, and Rodgers are just better than Griff. Mentor or no mentor. Sad but true


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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

We dont have Favre, or Montana to mentor anyone. We have Colt Mccoy. Rypien was a success because he had a boat load of hall of famers all around him. Otherwise he was a nobody. Also Steve Young, and Rodgers are just better than Griff. Mentor or no mentor. Sad but true


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You are missing the point....Give him time to learn. Don't throw him to the wolves.

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are missing the point....Give him time to learn. Don't throw him to the wolves.

Im not saying that Griff wouldnt or wont benefit from being benched. Im saying that it worked for Rodgers and Young because they were mentored by hall of famers and not Colt Mccoy. Im really just picking on the first paragraph of your post because .... Well... We arent in that situation. At all.
The rest of your post I totally agree with. I didnt want Griff playing until after the Bucs game and that was only if we were out of the playoff hunt at that point. I was never in the "gotta let him play to learn camp". I think that was and is a stupid way of going about things.


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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im not saying that Griff wouldnt or wont benefit from being benched. Im saying that it worked for Rodgers and Young because they were mentored by hall of famers and not Colt Mccoy. Im really just picking on the first paragraph of your post because .... Well... We arent in that situation. At all.
The rest of your post I totally agree with. I didnt want Griff playing until after the Bucs game and that was only if we were out of the playoff hunt at that point. I was never in the "gotta let him play to learn camp". I think that was and is a stupid way of going about things.


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Farve didn't mentor anyone and didn't play the big brother role. Neither did Montana. I think those guys sat, watched and learned and took it upon themselves to be successful. Plus Rodgers has elite skills. If Rodgers was in this offense, all the Wr's would be happy and this would be a top 3 offense.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are missing the point....Give him time to learn. Don't throw him to the wolves.

Give him time to learn? Why? He jumps in the air when he throws the ball. He pats and double clutches constantly. He's still back peddling. He's taking very high number of sacks. He still never throws the ball on time or on his 5th step. All this after 34 starts. He's not learned anything, he's getting worse. Garçon, Jackson and the o-line probably want to kill the guy by now. He's just not a very good QB and he handcuffs the offense. 100 passing yards with our wr's is laughable. Gruden knows he sucks. He sees him everyday. Only reason he starts against Indy is cause of Napoleon.

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Give him time to learn? Why? He jumps in the air when he throws the ball. He pats and double clutches constantly. He's still back peddling. He's taking very high number of sacks. He still never throws the ball on time or on his 5th step. All this after 34 starts. He's not learned anything, he's getting worse. Garçon, Jackson and the o-line probably want to kill the guy by now. He's just not a very good QB and he handcuffs the offense. 100 passing yards with our wr's is laughable. Gruden knows he sucks. He sees him everyday. Only reason he starts against Indy is cause of Napoleon.

So you are saying you are better than me?!??????
Lmao


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[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

What happened to the good old days when a young QB that is not ready mentally to run a pro system sat on the bench and took the time to learn? Mentored by his coaches and other Qb's on the roster. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Steve Young, it worked for our Joe Theismann and Mark Rypien and countless others.

For an NFL that profits $9 billion a year and for our team that is (what?) the second most profitable team team in the NFL; we can not wait? Why?
I guess Snyder has his panty's is a bunch?
I feel if RGIII had been given the time to sit after his ACL injury and allowed to start when he good physically and mentally ready we would most likely not be in the predicament. When I say mentally ready that means breaking him of all of his old bad habits and teaching him to run a pro system. Instead he was rushed back in.
Even now when it is clear RGIII is not mentally ready to run a Pro offense, we can not sit him because DS feels we have to WIN THE FUCKING RAMS TRADE!
Impatient little minds made this problem. Impatient little minds make it continue to happen.
RGIII is not going to play his way out to this. It takes coaching and breaking a ton of old bad habits he has had since his early playing days where he was always by far the best player on the field. Now that he is not the best player on the field and he can not win with just his athleticism he has hit a wall. NFL defenses will eat him up and spit him out until he learns to be a pro QB. .

I agree about taking time to develop a guy, but these days he has to learn on the job. He needs actual playing time to improve, not practice reps at 3/4 speed with no real threat of contact.

I wouldn't toss in the towel on Griffin yet. At this time next year if he's still a mess fine, time to start moving on.

[Lotus]

Robert Griffin may have to fail badly before he succeeds. If so, he's not done yet...he's just in a dark place.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I agree about taking time to develop a guy, but these days he has to learn on the job. He needs actual playing time to improve, not practice reps at 3/4 speed with no real threat of contact.

I wouldn't toss in the towel on Griffin yet. At this time next year if he's still a mess fine, time to start moving on.

another whole year?!!

I'm a long suffering fan and hope the kid can turn it around, but there has to be a limit to continual ineptitude.

There are 52 other guys laying it on the line week in and week out.

Gruden will soon lose the entire team if the experiment doesn't start to show fruit soon.

I'd say he gets another half before the Hook comes out.

The next great loss we will have is that we won't be able to recruit any free agent worth their weight, if he's still playing this bad to end the year.

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I agree about taking time to develop a guy, but these days he has to learn on the job. He needs actual playing time to improve, not practice reps at 3/4 speed with no real threat of contact.



I wouldn't toss in the towel on Griffin yet. At this time next year if he's still a mess fine, time to start moving on.

This year next time? If he does stick around how about we at least cut ties before next season is a wash too if he is a mess. I mean that would be two full off seasons and what, almost 20 games? Eff that I want it to work but Im getting old and I want the Redskins to be relevant again before I want one player to be relevant again.


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[skinsfan69]

Think how hard it is in today's NFL to pass for 100 yards.

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Think how hard it is in today's NFL to pass for 100 yards.

Yeah and I know our wr's and rb are not the problem. Our oline might be pretty terrible but yeah man....100 yards. That is tough to do. I do not watch or study these play breakdown sites, but Griff had to have missed a handful of wide open wr's.


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[BaltimoreSkins]

I always felt that Rex was kept for the 2012 and 2013 seasons as a mentor. IMO the game has changed. The expectations is that a QB will learn through a few growing pains while starting this is not a Snyder issue it is the NFL norm. Also it is not to much to expect the 2nd overall pick to be playing like a perennial all pro.

[Gary84Clark]

Go ahead and put Kirk back in. He throws picks before he is hit.