Jets In The Market For Qb! (MEGA MERGE)

[Hog1]

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

[Beemnseven]

If the Jets offer a second round pick for Ramsey, Dan Snyder should personally bicycle Patrick up to the Meadowlands and hand him over with a green and white bow strapped around him.

Who says we have to go with Jason Campbell if Brunell gets hurt? There's got to be some washed up veteran out there who can cram Gibbs' playbook in a pinch.

Where's Kent Graham these days?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Who says we have to go with Jason Campbell if Brunell gets hurt? There's got to be some washed up veteran out there who can cram Gibbs' playbook in a pinch.

a washed up vet to back up the first one? jk

:smashfrea

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

Brunell is now starting for us, how do you figure he learned from his mistake?

To bad Gibbs didn't give Ramsey some real playing time to see if he learns from his mistakes, we all know WR's running the wrong routes is a Ramsey mistake not Gibbs, right!

However, the only thing Gibbs did TO him is give him the same oppurtunity he gave the other QB's on staff.

I have to ask what team have you been watching, Ill has already pointed out that Gibbs stayed with Brunell 9 games last season, which was probably 5 games to long, Ramsey? 19 minutes, I hope the 9 didn't confuse you, the 9 represents minutes not games.

Funny how Ramsey won the job last season over Brunell in regular season competition, only to lose it in 19 minutes this season of regular season competition, as most scouts and coaches will tell you, pre-season doesn't mean jack when it comes to evaluation of teams and players, there are to many varibles that can lead to a players success, or failure, in a pre-season game.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Brunell is now starting for us, how do you figure he learned from his mistake?

To bad Gibbs didn't give Ramsey some real playing time to see if he learns from his mistakes, we all know WR's running the wrong routes is a Ramsey mistake not Gibbs, right!



I have to ask what team have you been watching, Ill has already pointed out that Gibbs stayed with Brunell 9 games last season, which was probably 5 games to long, Ramsey? 19 minutes, I hope the 9 didn't confuse you, the 9 represents minutes not games.

Funny how Ramsey won the job last season over Brunell in regular season competition, only to lose it in 19 minutes this season of regular season competition, as most scouts and coaches will tell you, pre-season doesn't mean jack when it comes to evaluation of teams and players, there are to many varibles that can lead to a players success, or failure, in a pre-season game.

Er...off, I guess I am confused. I don't understand why is it you want to make this out to be a vendetta against Ramsey by Gibbs? If that is not what you are saying, what is it? What would Gibbs or the Redskins hope to gain by doing so? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what........it's a (lame) DUCK. It doesn't seem to matter be it a pre-season duck or regular season duck, to a 3-time superbowl winning coach, and winner in everything he does. He has built winners everywhere he has been, before and after the Skin's. If he thinks Ramsey can't cut it, and he clearly does, so be it. If it doesn't fit with some........scouts opinon, well considering the creds of those involved, I believe Joe knows!!! And hey.......look at that, Joe just managed what hasn't been done, basically since he left............beating the Boys in their own crib ON MONDAY NIGHT!! Are you a Redskin fan??? You sound more like a Ramsey fan.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Er ill..., do you fault him as well, for learning from his mistakes?

again, which mistake is that? that's the whole point of the huge controversy here in Redskins land, whether or not Gibbs learned enough from last year. Brunell is right back in there and the offense looks awfully familiar. and i stress the word awfully.

no one can disagree that as bad as Ramsey may have sucked, Brunell sucked worse. Ramsey looked further out and made some real TDs along with those INTs with the same sub-par receivers. many of us wanted to see what Ramsey could have done with Moss in the regular season, but whatever reason Gibbs doesn't have *a fraction* of the patience for him that he has for Brunell. sucks for Ramsey and us fans sick of the ol' dink/dunk offense, but we can't do anything about it and want to see what comes next. if Ramsey can get us a draft choice back for any of the last overzealous trades we did, i won't cry too hard (well depends on the draft choice).

look i'm praying night and day that Gibbs spent the bye week focusing on the one thing that IS different from last year: Santana Moss. i'm crossing my bloody fingers that he really changes the gameplan to make those occasional long passes less of a token (or emergency plan) and more of a key part of the offense. if he doesn't, and we look just like 2004 again, then yeah, i'll wonder what Gibbs learned last year. wouldn't you?

[diehardskin2982]

this would be the most oprotune time to trade ramsey. he value will not get any better at the end of the season not starting, and a first rnd would be nice to have.

[Kevikazi]

I would take a 3rd round draft pick and a CB. Or a straight up trade for John Abraham or Shaun Ellis. I don't see a later part happening though.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Just kind of an afterthought here...

...but isn't it funny how quickly all the allegiances to Ramsey changed when Brunell won the Cowboys game?

Now we're like, "Hmmm, what can we get for Ramsey?"

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just kind of an afterthought here...

...but isn't it funny how quickly all the allegiances to Ramsey changed when Brunell won the Cowboys game?

Now we're like, "Hmmm, what can we get for Ramsey?"

Human nature my friend, human nature.....

What's funny is some of us were calling Gibbs a hypocrite a little over two weeks ago. I wonder how many of those fans are now endorsing a Ramsey trade.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Human nature my friend, human nature.....

What's funny is some of us were calling Gibbs a hypocrite a little over two weeks ago. I wonder how many of those fans are now endorsing a Ramsey trade.

As one of those people who were pissed at Gibbs and now endorsing a trade, heres my reasons for that. It has nothing to do with Gibbs, just everything to do with the Redskins. I still dont like Gibbs decision making with Ramsey, I still belive Ramsey is the best QB on our team, and until he really proves for at least a few games that he dosent suck, I think Brunell still does. However, I also belive that we have seen the last of Ramsey as a Redskin. Therefore, instead of just letting him leave, I figure we mine as well get somthing in return for him. If it were up to me though, Ramsey would be starting vs Seattle this week.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

As one of those people who were pissed at Gibbs and now endorsing a trade, heres my reasons for that. It has nothing to do with Gibbs, just everything to do with the Redskins. I still dont like Gibbs decision making with Ramsey, I still belive Ramsey is the best QB on our team, and until he really proves for at least a few games that he dosent suck, I think Brunell still does. However, I also belive that we have seen the last of Ramsey as a Redskin. Therefore, instead of just letting him leave, I figure we mine as well get somthing in return for him. If it were up to me though, Ramsey would be starting vs Seattle this week.

It's all good! I see your point.

[Paintrain]

Any chance Laverneus is wishing that he had that 42'' plasma screen instead of that trade now?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Human nature my friend, human nature.....

What's funny is some of us were calling Gibbs a hypocrite a little over two weeks ago. I wonder how many of those fans are now endorsing a Ramsey trade.

I don't think it's hypocritical, i believe it's just a realization that Ramsey is not going to be the starting qb for the Washington Redskins. In that case, his value is more as a potential trade than as a back up. I don't think it represents a change in loyalty or even thinking, it's just accepting the situation as what it is. Brunell will be the starter here, period, so we know that PR's days are numbered. Being a realist, if he's gone anyway, why not deal him when his value is highest? Too many "I told you so's..." lately.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just kind of an afterthought here...

...but isn't it funny how quickly all the allegiances to Ramsey changed when Brunell won the Cowboys game?

Now we're like, "Hmmm, what can we get for Ramsey?"

jeez here we are trying to "get over it" and "stop second guessing coach Gibbs" by trying to think of the most positive thing out of benching Ramsey.

if i had my way, Ramsey would be the starter both last year and this year, but as everyone here never ceases to remind me, "i'm not the coach, deal with it". Gibbs hates Ramsey. so we're dealing with it, what can we get for him? we're skins fans first, then Ramsey fans. why don't we just ban the R-word here unless you've hated him from the beginining.