Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[That Guy]

I'd love to be wrong, but I just see too many missing fundamentals for him to be great. amazing OL play could cover some of his biggest weaknesses, but unless he can use that time to improve (a LOT) it'd just be more smoke and mirrors.

[Bangee7]

....“Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said....

Thanks Vinny.

Seriously, I want my team's QB to have that confidence when he looks in the mirror.
Honestly, I even want the back up QB feeling that way.

I hope the kid tears it up this year, God knows he's been put thru enough.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

....“Griffin sees himself like Peyton [Manning], in that light,” a personnel director said....

Thanks Vinny.

Seriously, I want my team's QB to have that confidence when he looks in the mirror.
Honestly, I even want the back up QB feeling that way.

I hope the kid tears it up this year, God knows he's been put thru enough.

There's a thin line between confidence and arrogance. RG3 has been a train wreck except for his rookie year with an offense that took the requirement to read a defense away and had him rely on his legs. He wasn't even smart enough to slide in that offense.

I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for him to turn into a franchise QB. Between his fragility and his ego - I don't see it being possible. Every time he gets hit, which is a lot, I don't think he'll get back up.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

There's a thin line between confidence and arrogance. RG3 has been a train wreck except for his rookie year with an offense that took the requirement to read a defense away and had him rely on his legs. He wasn't even smart enough to slide in that offense.

I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for him to turn into a franchise QB. Between his fragility and his ego - I don't see it being possible. Every time he gets hit, which is a lot, I don't think he'll get back up.

That pretty much sums it up. Good post.
I think we will know pretty quickly if RGIII is going to buy into the system/coaching or will he be the arrogant, petulant child that gives up on the called play and takes off running.
When things do not go as planned in a game, as they always do for every Qb, how will he handle it? That will tell us if he has any chance of a future in the NFL as as a starter either with us or possibly with another team.
I want to him to be great...with us.
It will be an uphill battle.

[irish]

What is really telling to me is the part in the Post article where Andy Benoit talks about RG having no sense of basic QBing fundamentals and he has leaps and bounds to go to be an average QB. The sad part is that he's right. Its not like all of a sudden RG is going to light it up this year and look like the second coming of Steve Young, he needs to look like he can actually play QB in the NFL. At this point in his career I think the best that can be expected of RG is that he can develop into a serviceable NFL QB who wont make mistakes and cost his team the game.

[mredskins]

great Keim article as always

Washington Redskins' RG III gets low ranking from NFL execs, coaches - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

It is put up or shut up time for RGIII

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

great Keim article as always

Washington Redskins' RG III gets low ranking from NFL execs, coaches - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

It is put up or shut up time for RGIII

like i said, if its slow start to camp and beginning of season, I want him on the bench immediately so he doesnt get hurt for contract guarenttee. If he fails this year, biggest bust all time Redskins history.

[skinsfan69]

I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

like i said, if its slow start to camp and beginning of season, I want him on the bench immediately so he doesnt get hurt for contract guarenttee. If he fails this year, biggest bust all time Redskins history.

I think Heath Shuler is a much bigger bust in terms of Redskins history. That said,the RGIII trade will go down as the worst ever in NFL history should he turn out to be a bust.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.

There is no way you can give him four weeks. Gruden's job depends on us doing well or he's out of here. If he shits the bed in training camp, you start Kirk Cousins. Even if he does start Robert for game 1, you can't go more than 2 weeks of bad play before you yank him.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think you give Griffin all of camp and the first four weeks. If it's more of the same then put in KC and give him the rest of the season. We can't have another season where the QB is limited when it comes to the playbook, and all the dink and dunk stuff. I know it's a re-build but you still have to try and win games. You still have to try and get the ball to your playmakers.

I think that is fair. If he doesn't start to show marked progress after 4 games, then we should look at other options.

[30gut]

Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.

If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Griffin turning his career around is inextricably linked to Jay's relationship with him and Jay's belief in Griffin as well as Jay's own improvement as a HC-playcaller.

If Jay doesn't have more faith in Griffin then he did last year then its only a matter of time before Jay is gonna want someone else in there.

thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ...

should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well?

i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens.

or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

thats an interesting take 30. You are not the only one that feels that way. I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

i guess the counter argument is that through practice, film study etc, jay doesnt think RG3 can handle the same play calling .. that RG3 needs first read only looks and cant handle going through multiple progressions or being asked to read both sides of the field etc ...

should Counsins and RG3 have the same playcalling? identical or just some wrinkles specific to what each player does well?

i personally think like the seeming majority here, RG3 just doesnt have the fundamentals of pocket passing to execute a pocket passing/timing offense ....... but im starting to think maybe he should be forced to run the same play calling and see what happens.

or jay has called the same plays in certain games and RG3 just didnt excel .. he has had some dud games.

There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)?

A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

There is no way in the world that he should be calling the same plays. If so, that means we need a new OC (or in this case... HC). Would anyone in their right mind call the same plays for Micheal Vick that they would call for Tom Brady (not saying we have a QB of that caliber, just an example)?

A play caller needs to understand the strengths of who he is calling the game for, otherwise they are a terrible play caller. If RG3 cant succeed based on an offense that is being called to his strengths, move on to Cousins or McCoy. But dont dare call the same plays regardless, that just means you cant figure out someone strengths or weaknesses, which means you shouldnt have that job in the first place.

I agree 100%

[30gut]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

...I dont want to put words in your mouth but i hear the occasional radio called say some variance of "jay needs to call the same plays for RG3 that he does for cousins or mccoy".

You raise an interesting question and i'm always down to discuss tangents, even if they aren't my topic. So I agree with you that Jay shouldn't call the same plays for Griffin as he does for Colt/Kirk.

There are several differences between those QBs and a smart OC/playcaller/gameplanner should mold their plans around a given QBs specific skillset. So sure there are some play concepts that are universal. But the plans should cater specifically to mobility, arm strength, ability to read the field, ability to consistently execute rhythm drop back passing concepts. Colt and Kirk are more experienced in a rhythm drop back passing game. Griffin has greater arm strength and mobility. To speak in general terms one would think a 'Griffin' gameplan would be similar to a Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Chip Kelly style gameplan and Kirk/Colt gameplan could be more traditional drop back WCO ala Andy Dalton or Ryan Fitzmagic etc.