Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

This! He had absolutely no chance to be successful last night. The line play in pass protection was inexcusable when he was in. He was getting bushwacked back there.

[htownskinfan]

Not many pluses thats for sure.
Our first string defense hasnt stopped anybody so far in preseason.The only thing that stopped Stafford was a dropped pass on 3rd down.
We lose another guy for the season,we already sucked at special teams now we lose another one of our best players on st.
And then theres VY2.Like Matty said it was hard to judge his performance because of the pressure,but the fumbles are on him.

[Chico23231]

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

He hasn't, but I just don't get a boner complaining about him like some folks do here. Nor do I think Cousins is the second coming of Montana.

Bigger issues for this team moving forward is the offensive line and the running game. People are so obsessed bitching about RG3, they forget the fact that the o-line looked bad. And that needs to be fixed because we don't have stability in the QB position and we're going to need to run to hopefully win games.

The performance of the first-team defense is another bigger issue than RG3. The team put a lot of effort this offseason to improve it and they haven't shown much in two games.

I wish fans would get over the QB position. It took Pete Carroll 3 years to address that position, and while he wasn't worrying about the position he built the Seattle team that we see today.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

How can you say that when he fumbled twice when there was no reason to? Sorry but when he's fumbled probably over 30 times in his career you have to evaluate two fumbles in one quarter of play.

Even when BS got backed into him he has to be able to see/feel that and either slide or just take the sack. But DO NOT turn around and run backwards. He's still doing that in year 4. Inexcusable.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who is satisfied?

Personally I just don't think he can be properly evaluated when the OL was such a major problem.

Even on quick drops he was getting hit.

I agree, but at some point shouldn't he be making his pre-snap reads and making adjustments at the line? I don't think he grasps that part of the game yet. The o-line was horrible, but RG3 could've made some adjustments at the line and changed the play or find his hot read.

While I agree that he can't be judged on last nights performance, he needs to show some more progress in terms of reading the defense prior to the snap. I can't remember the last time I saw RG3 audible out of a play.

[Chico23231]

the play he got hurt, RG3 had 2 receivers running free in the secondary.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

the play he got hurt, RG3 had 2 receivers running free in the secondary.

Might even make the case for 3 of them.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Might even make the case for 3 of them.

To me that pic says it all.Listening to ESPN 980 on the way to work,they were only putting 1 sack on the off line,the other 2 he had rec's open.
For all the people that want to believe its not VY2's fault,can you find me one football analyst,ex-qb,anybody that still thinks he's any good?
Those warm fuzzy memories from his first season are clouding a lot of peoples judgement who absolutely refuse to clean off their rose colored glasses.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

To me that pic says it all.Listening to ESPN 980 on the way to work,they were only putting 1 sack on the off line,the other 2 he had rec's open.
For all the people that want to believe its not VY2's fault,can you find me one football analyst,ex-qb,anybody that still thinks he's any good?
Those warm fuzzy memories from his first season are clouding a lot of peoples judgement who absolutely refuse to clean off their rose colored glasses.

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Look at the chains on that picture. It was 3rd and 16. Throwing a 5 yard out wasn't going to help. He was looking down the field for more yards, personally I like that, still can't fumble though.

This goes to him being ordinary, vs a superstar. The ordinary middle pack qb throws it to one of those 3 guys and lets them take a shot. The superstar runs. You want to be the superstar don't fumble the ball as you start to run untouched. You want to be ordinary throw to the guy you think has the best chance to make a play. You want to be better then KC, throw a deep pass to a guy past the chains where only he can make a play on it.

You want to be out of the NFL fumble the ball at the 9 yd line then lay on the ground for 5 minutes while your body aches. I'm not saying he wasn't injured or was faking, or that I even have a clue about how bad he was feeling and in what way, but I am saying you want to be the best then barring broken bones/ACL/MCL type injuries you get up, you shake off the play, get off the field and get checked.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Might even make the case for 3 of them.

The coaches have to be fuming mad when they see this. You can fairly evaluate him on this play. Just throw the effing ball, get your 10 yards for the punter and fight another series. This is a poster child play for RG3. Sorry but there is no way KC or McCoy take a sack fumble here. No way.

[Chico23231]

i know people love to give Thiesman grief...well deserved in some cases...but he was dead on with Robert's inability to manuvere in the pocket. He doesnt see pressure pre snap, he doesnt react well to pressure n the pocket, and he holds the ball. If you watch Kirk, Kirk knows how to slide and step in the pocket to avoid pressure and deliever the ball.

[Chief X_Phackter]

No DeSean Jackson
No Jamison Crowder
No Jordan Reed
No Niles Paul
No Logan Paulsen
No Trent Williams
No Ryan Kerrigan
No Jason Hatcher
No Junior Galette
No DeAngelo Hall
No Bashaud Breeland

Given the above, I'm not surprised with anything I have seen so far this preseason. I'm not too worried either (maybe a little worried about RGIII's health).

The O-line will get it together. I'm glad they are facing stiff competition early. Not glad they are getting bulldozed, but once the starting five have had a few weeks together I think they will be solid.

The "new" TE's will learn the offense and contribute - hopefully both blocking and receiving. Paul and Paulsen injuries are a real setback here and probably my biggest concern.

The defense will be better with our projected top two pass rushers and starting corners back in there.

I think we have a lot of quality depth which will translate into better special teams play this year.

To sum it up, if Robert can survive the preseason, and we can get all our projected starters back in there for game 1 against Miami, I think we'll be ok.