Trouble in Redskins Park?

[mooby]

Whose to say he didn't relapse after a death in his family? Idk the circumstances, but it looks like a big ol' shit sandwich right now. I just hope McC handles his issues and comes back. Like others have said, 0 faith in Bruce/Dan. Hopefully Jay Gruden is leading the show right now.

[FlyerSkin]

The combine is overrated and not a good indicator of how an individual will perform during an actual game. How many receivers are going to run routes unimpeded in a real game or be able to leap 42 inches to grab a ball? It is a hype job to promote the league. Even the draft has become a joke. Very few players actually drafted make a true impact. Case in point is our last draft!!! Initially we received an a- by some observers, but it was downgraded to a c after the season was complete. Nobody from the front office needs to be present at the combine. That is what scouts are for.

[MTK]

Yeah I'd say the combine is a big deal and you want your main decision makers there. It's more than just scouting the upcoming picks, contracts are discussed, trades, etc.

[mooby]

It might be an overhyped shitshow for the fans, but it's actually pretty important for NFL teams. I don't think 40 times are the biggest factor there, this is your best chance to get to know players 1 on 1. And like Matty said, talking business with agents and other teams also happens a lot.

[hutch17]

I'm not trying to say that Bruce Allen is gods gift to scouting or drafting, but I don't understand to ultimate animosity towards him. Have you looked at his one and only draft class.
ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas

Depending on how you classify Murphy that is four starters and a utility receiver out of seven total picks, none of which is a first rounder. I'll take that every year thank you

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by hutch17

I'm not trying to say that Bruce Allen is gods gift to scouting or drafting, but I don't understand to ultimate animosity towards him. Have you looked at his one and only draft class.
ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas

Depending on how you classify Murphy that is four starters and a utility receiver out of seven total picks, none of which is a first rounder. I'll take that every year thank you

This was the draft where Allen had contracted for McCloughan's scouting service when we was in between the Seahawks and Redskins jobs. So I wonder how much of a thumbprint he had on this thing.

Still, with each draft class I'm looking for one or more difference makers, and at least 2 starters. I classify Moses as a difference maker, and we've gotten starting production out of 3 others. Not bad for not having a 1st rounder.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by hutch17

I'm not trying to say that Bruce Allen is gods gift to scouting or drafting, but I don't understand to ultimate animosity towards him. Have you looked at his one and only draft class.
ROUND (PICK) PLAYER SCHOOL
2 (47) LB Trent Murphy Stanford
3 (66) — From Dallas OT Morgan Moses Virginia
3 (78) — From Dallas G Spencer Long Nebraska
4 (102) CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson
5 (142) WR Ryan Grant Tulane
6 (186) — From Tennessee RB Lache Seastrunk Baylor
7 (217) TE Ted Bolser Indiana
7 (228) — From Tennessee K Zach Hocker Arkansas

Depending on how you classify Murphy that is four starters and a utility receiver out of seven total picks, none of which is a first rounder. I'll take that every year thank you

PLUS! He very much cleaned up our salary cap issues. BA has done a pretty good job especially since he took over after the Vinny regime.

I am personally glad to have BA.

Also lets remember folks people are not beating the door down for a chance to work with DS either.

[Schneed10]

Lache Seastrunk, LOL. I love pulling up some of the old names you forgot about from teams past.

Ade Jimoh, LOL

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Lache Seastrunk, LOL. I love pulling up some of the old names you forgot about from teams past.

Ade Jimoh, LOL

Yessssssss! Remember Ade Jimoh Fan Club?!

[calia]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Lache Seastrunk, LOL. I love pulling up some of the old names you forgot about from teams past.

Ade Jimoh, LOL

Sultan McCullough.

Let's see how far back we can take this.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by calia

Sultan McCullough.

Let's see how far back we can take this.

Tydus Winans

[skinsfan69]

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block. Long is another average player.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

I'm not as hardcore about it as you are, but I don't want Allen team building either. I'll give him due credit for 2014, Murphy is solid, Breeland has had an up and a down year so the jury is still out on him, Moses is a fine pick as is Jordan Reed. But other than that he's been more miss than hit as a talent evaluator.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block. Long is another average player.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

Average class? 4 starters is average? That is a lot better than average. Murphy spent all summer bulking up to play D-line and then because of injuries he switched back to outside linebacker. Breeland was consider our number 1 corner prior to Josh Norman. He had a bad season, but that doesn't mean he is not a good player. Don't forget the piss poor secondary coaching helped with his regression. Finally, two starting offensive lineman, and they are considered a top 5 unit.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Enough with the Allen lovefest. Are some of you forgetting Andre Roberts? Or him pissing away draft picks on two QB's? Or what about missing on Hatcher?

His 14 draft class is average. Murphy is an ok player. Breeland basically stunk last year. He's another average player. Moses is a solid starter for us. Reed is a really good pass catching TE but can't block. Long is another average player.

Just not a fan of Allen as someone who can build a team via draft. He's like Snyder and loves free agents. That's one reason they get along.

So your complaining about the 2013 draft class, remember the team was in shambles after the cap penalty and had no picks.


ROUND PICK PLAYER SCHOOL
2 51 CB David Amerson North Carolina State
3 85 TE Jordan Reed Florida
4 119 S Phillip Thomas Fresno State
5 154 RB Chris Thompson Florida State
5 162 LB Brandon Jenkins Florida State
6 191 S Bacarri Rambo Georgia
7 228 RB Jawan Jamison Rutgers

Amerson, solid player unfortunately not for us (coaches fault for not pushing
him)
Reed, All pro
Thompson, solid contributor

That is a good draft class for no first rounder. 1 difference maker and two solid players.

you mention Andre Roberts, that was a big miss, but I challenge you to name a free agent that Scot has picked up that wasn't a big miss (not including Norman because that was a no brainer) I mean we are talking Kendall Reyes, david Bruton, jaron Johnson, Stephen Peae, Chris Culliver, Ricky jean is OK

that cupboard is bare my friend