Trouble in Redskins Park?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly. How does your GM who lives for the draft not go to the combine? He's gone and it's a shame. Just really hope that once he's out that we don't go back to doing business the old way. I can't stomach that shit anymore.

The man in your avatar might be in for a promotion. who knows? I think the Redskins definitely need a GM/Head of Player Personnel guy not named Bruce Allen.

[calia]

Fact from Fiction -- I am a bit concerned that folks are conflating the two. The only firm facts of which I am aware are that McCloughan (a) didn't go to the combine, (b) had a death in the family (admittedly a few weeks earlier), and (c) we haven't signed any of our FAs. If there are other facts associated with this, I would welcome the chance to hear them. But the stuff about McCloughan drinking, conflict between him and Gruden, and all the rest is at best conjecture, isn't it? Maybe there are some reasonable inferences here, but absent fact, why would anyone assume that the sky is falling?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by calia

Fact from Fiction -- I am a bit concerned that folks are conflating the two. The only firm facts of which I am aware are that McCloughan (a) didn't go to the combine, (b) had a death in the family (admittedly a few weeks earlier), and (c) we haven't signed any of our FAs. If there are other facts associated with this, I would welcome the chance to hear them. But the stuff about McCloughan drinking, conflict between him and Gruden, and all the rest is at best conjecture, isn't it? Maybe there are some reasonable inferences here, but absent fact, why would anyone assume that the sky is falling?

Because it's pretty obvious something is going on, all too often when it comes to this team if there's smoke there's fire.

[calia]

Originally Posted by MTK

Because it's pretty obvious something is going on, all too often when it comes to this team if there's smoke there's fire.

I hear you, Matty, but no one really knows what it is except those involved. Power struggle, health issue (not that they're mutually exclusive), creative differences (ok, that isn't likely).

I am trying to look at this team in a different light given that last season was really without drama; it's hard not to assume the worst given the last two decades, I grant you. But maybe -- just maybe -- we're getting on the other side of that craziness.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by calia

Fact from Fiction -- I am a bit concerned that folks are conflating the two. The only firm facts of which I am aware are that McCloughan (a) didn't go to the combine, (b) had a death in the family (admittedly a few weeks earlier), and (c) we haven't signed any of our FAs. If there are other facts associated with this, I would welcome the chance to hear them. But the stuff about McCloughan drinking, conflict between him and Gruden, and all the rest is at best conjecture, isn't it? Maybe there are some reasonable inferences here, but absent fact, why would anyone assume that the sky is falling?

I can't tell whether if you're sarcastic or you really believe everything is OK?

[calia]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I can't tell whether if you're sarcastic or you really believe everything is OK?

I am not saying I assume everything is OK. But I am saying that I'd prefer to work off of fact. I know -- radical idea these days.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by calia

I am not saying I assume everything is OK. But I am saying that I'd prefer to work off of fact. I know -- radical idea these days.

So the fact that Scot McCloughan had a gag order put on him isn't a cause for concern? A GM can't speak at the Senior Bowl? Can't speak at the NFL Combine? Doesn't even show up to the NFL Combine? Meanwhile, Bruce Allen uses the excuse of a grandmother dying as the reason why McCloughan is still home, yet granny died a few weeks ago? You think it takes over three weeks to get back to work from bereavement?

How about those facts?

[calia]

Originally Posted by metalskins

So the fact that Scot McCloughan had a gag order put on him isn't a cause for concern? A GM can't speak at the Senior Bowl? Can't speak at the NFL Combine? Doesn't even show up to the NFL Combine? Meanwhile, Bruce Allen uses the excuse of a grandmother dying as the reason why McCloughan is still home, yet granny died a few weeks ago? You think it takes over three weeks to get back to work from bereavement?

How about those facts?

Is the gag order a known fact? I know it has been reported, but has anyone actually confirmed it? And do you profess to know anything about the memorial arrangements for his grandmother? I don't. And with all due respect, I doubt you do either. It isn't entirely unprecedented for memorial services to take place some number of weeks after someone dies -- I am headed to one on March 16 for someone who passed away on February 24.

But by all means -- let's all panic and assume the worst here.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by calia

Fact from Fiction -- I am a bit concerned that folks are conflating the two. The only firm facts of which I am aware are that McCloughan (a) didn't go to the combine, (b) had a death in the family (admittedly a few weeks earlier), and (c) we haven't signed any of our FAs. If there are other facts associated with this, I would welcome the chance to hear them. But the stuff about McCloughan drinking, conflict between him and Gruden, and all the rest is at best conjecture, isn't it? Maybe there are some reasonable inferences here, but absent fact, why would anyone assume that the sky is falling?

It's a huge, huge deal for the GM of a team to miss the combine. This is arguably the most important week of his job. The offseason truly begins there.

[calia]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's a huge, huge deal for the GM of a team to miss the combine. This is arguably the most important week of his job. The offseason truly begins there.

I realize that you often have inside information (if memory serves, you work with the team or did at one point), and I respect your views a lot. And it is impossible to disagree with your statement about the importance of the combine -- it's really self-evident. I just don't want to speculate and assume the worst here; after 20 years of doing that (with reason), I am hoping for a level of respectability for this franchise and for a reasonable, non-doomsday explanation.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by calia

I realize that you often have inside information (if memory serves, you work with the team or did at one point), and I respect your views a lot. And it is impossible to disagree with your statement about the importance of the combine -- it's really self-evident. I just don't want to speculate and assume the worst here; after 20 years of doing that (with reason), I am hoping for a level of respectability for this franchise and for a reasonable, non-doomsday explanation.

Covered the team. Offered jobs multiple times with them, but never worked for them

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's a huge, huge deal for the GM of a team to miss the combine. This is arguably the most important week of his job. The offseason truly begins there.

end the end...is it the drinking? Or is this just the power struggle and an eff you to Bruce in missing the Combine? Like you said, this is a major event and where you set the table for both the prospects but more importantly the start of Free agency....Tampering rules be damned!

I would think if McC moving out of picture than the likely hood of Cousins returning is greater.

[calia]

Ignore all my prior posts: We're f_cked, the McCloughan era is over, no FAs will sign with us for that reason, and as a direct consequence we will revert to a sub.500 team for the next few decades.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I think there are certain media people that will just never say anything good about the Redskins, like Florio, but unfortunately they're the ones everyone focuses on. That's the same in news in general. You always here way more about bad stuff than good stuff. I wish Cooley didn't say what he did, even if it's 100% true. But if he didn't someone else would have. And if SM is showing signs of being a drunk again then he brought it on himself. Hopefully he has it together or can get it together because I'd prefer he stuck around.

We already extended Jay and if we finalize a contract with Kirk all the other stuff will fall by the way side and we can talk about strictly football again.

[MTK]

This is what I was talking about when I said Gruden vs McC, not that they don't get along but it seems that Gruden's influence is growing and perhaps filling the void from McC's diminishing role.

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