Trouble in Redskins Park?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

I don't disagree that Gruden being the one to dislike him stepping out of bounds is one logical conclusion, and let's say, based on this article, the only logical conclusion. Without knowing the source of this information, do you really believe it true when Schneed calls someone a moron for reserving judgment?

For someone to reserve judgment, I would say you either don't know how leadership works, or you don't understand Jay Gruden's personality type.

Either your thinking is limited or your knowledge of your team/coach is limited.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

For someone to reserve judgment, I would say you either don't know how leadership works, or you don't understand Jay Gruden's personality type.

Either your thinking is limited or your knowledge of your team/coach is limited.

I don't claim to have some close understanding of our coaches personality types. That is impressive that you do, may I ask how?

I find reserving judgement until I know the full story from all sides is a vital part of leadership. That you don't is more reason to not give credence to your perspective honestly.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

I don't claim to have some close understanding of our coaches personality types. That is impressive that you do, may I ask how?

I find reserving judgement until I know the full story from all sides is a vital part of leadership. That you don't is more reason to not give credence to your perspective honestly.

When you hire somebody and you've determined that the resume is sufficient that you think it's worth your time to interview an applicant, do you gain access to the whole story on that person, or do you get an hour to size them up and a few reference phone calls?

You have to read them, assess personality, disposition, fit, and make a call. I'm exceptionally talented at it.

Dismiss it if you want but I've got a read on Gruden. Very confident in my assessment.

[rocnrik]

Think about this..We all love the redskins and yet here we are arguing over who did what..point is as long as you have 2 people you have the possibility of conflict..its part of life..New england,and other top teams also have issues we just don't hear about it..those teams handle it in house and don't have employees/players leaking this to media.. remember Brown putting Coach Tomlins locker room speech out on media?? that sounds like Skins stuff but funny how that got shut down real quick.for whatever reason the beat writers for the Skins actually hate the team and take every opportunity to make this team look bad..it could be hate towards Snyder but we never catch a break.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Think about this..We all love the redskins and yet here we are arguing over who did what..point is as long as you have 2 people you have the possibility of conflict..its part of life..New england,and other top teams also have issues we just don't hear about it..those teams handle it in house and don't have employees/players leaking this to media.. remember Brown putting Coach Tomlins locker room speech out on media?? that sounds like Skins stuff but funny how that got shut down real quick.for whatever reason the beat writers for the Skins actually hate the team and take every opportunity to make this team look bad..it could be hate towards Snyder but we never catch a break.

I don't think media has an agenda so much, I think more so it's just that winning cures all ills. It becomes easier to dismiss the Brown Tomlin thing when the team consistently makes the playoffs.

We have been a losing organization by and large for 20+ years. It opens the door to a lot of garbage writing and garbage thinking concluding that every step you take has been a mistake. So now every error is magnified because we lack the credibility of winning pedigree to counter the argument.

All the more reason to sign Cousins. Nothing like a legitimate QB to turn you into a consistently competitive team.

[Bangee7]

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

Exactly. And I saw that press conference as it was streamed by the team. He didn't just say those words, he said it with a slight hand flip, shrug, and eye roll. It was painfully obvious that he has a beef with the way McC did his job.

Using that comment, can you draw the definitive conclusion that Gruden was pissed about McC speaking to a player about on field conduct? Not on that comment alone, but it's yet another sign of many that Gruden has a strong vision, has a clear understanding of roles, and has a strong understanding of what it takes to win. He's not patient - he doesn't want to hear that a guard picked high is the way to win in the NFL.

When you put it all together, if you know anything about reading people and their personality types, it's easy to see that if you get in Jay Gruden's kitchen he's going to chase you out like a junkyard dog.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly. And I saw that press conference as it was streamed by the team. He didn't just say those words, he said it with a slight hand flip, shrug, and eye roll. It was painfully obvious that he has a beef with the way McC did his job.

Using that comment, can you draw the definitive conclusion that Gruden was pissed about McC speaking to a player about on field conduct? Not on that comment alone, but it's yet another sign of many that Gruden has a strong vision, has a clear understanding of roles, and has a strong understanding of what it takes to win. He's not patient - he doesn't want to hear that a guard picked highbis the way to win in the NFL.

When you put it all together, if you know anything about reading people and their personality types, it's easy to see that if you get in Jay Gruden's kitchen he's going to chase you out like a junkyard dog.

This is the last I'll say, but this is really what I am reacting too. Bangers input was informative and intriguing. He didn't act like a dick and talk down to people.
This post of yours was going well and then you throw in "if you know anything about..." I mean is that really necessary? Be helpful and give valuable arguments that contribute to the collective understanding. Your opinion can be valid without you being critical and insulting or patting yourself on the back.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by WillH

This is the last I'll say, but this is really what I am reacting too. Bangers input was informative and intriguing. He didn't act like a dick and talk down to people.
This post of yours was going well and then you throw in "if you know anything about..." I mean is that really necessary? Be helpful and give valuable arguments that contribute to the collective understanding. Your opinion can be valid without you being critical and insulting or patting yourself on the back.

My opinion is always valid. Sorry you're not a fan of my delivery. Your thinking is strong and you should post more.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My opinion is always valid. Sorry you're not a fan of my delivery. Your thinking is strong and you should post more.

Fair enough. Thanks!

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

I forgot about that. I feel like he's said something else earlier in the season that raised eyebrows.

And Cousins did yell in Scots face.

He really may have just not been a good fit.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

This.

What seemed like a throw away line at the end of the season is the only real evidence of a problem I have seen. And, in spite of some of the acrimony, this has been a fun and interesting off season thread to follow. I do come out of all this believing that Scot was not the saint and savior some might have thought he was, while Gruden may well be a better and certainly stronger coach than many believed he would be. Funny how that works.

But George Allen's favorite son is still the dope we thought he was. But who knows, he may well be a needed buffer from Dan Snyder. And that's important as well. Hope we hire the right man to be our next quasi GM.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

From the same press conference FWIW:


"I feel fine. I feel good about it. I think we make Redskin decisions around here of what's best for this football team. I don't think it's Scot, I don't think it's Bruce [Allen], I don't think it's just me. I think together we make decisions and I feel really good about that. I think he listens to my input and I listen to his. Ultimately, who has the final say really doesn't matter because we're all on the same page for the most part. Any time you have a lot of people making decisions, it's very important to be on the same page and be together. When the decisions are made, it doesn't matter who makes them - we're all in and have got to do the best we can with them."

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I agree with Schneed....go back to Gruden's comments at the end of the year ....

"we've had two first rounds picks since I've been here...one of them hasn't played a down and the other is a Guard"

Nope, no problem there!

I believe Bruce is the tie breaker...Gruden got extended & McLoughan is gone.
The Tie has been broken.

"Saint Scot" will be fine & I'm sure he was well paid for his services.

Time to move on people.

I'm surprised that some people in the sports media haven't made a big deal out of this. I guess it is easier for the masses to blame everything on Snyder or Allen, however, I still feel that this was some type of power struggle between Gruden and McCloughan where Jay got the upper hand.

This reminds me of that time in San Diego, when there was a power struggle between Marty Sch. and AJ Smith, where the ownership sided with Smith and canned Marty.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm surprised that some people in the sports media haven't made a big deal out of this. I guess it is easier for the masses to blame everything on Snyder or Allen, however, I still feel that this was some type of power struggle between Gruden and McCloughan where Jay got the upper hand.

This reminds me of that time in San Diego, when there was a power struggle between Marty Sch. and AJ Smith, where the ownership sided with Smith and canned Marty.

I think when you look around the NFL, it should sort of serve as a cautionary tale anytime that ownership directly gets involved and takes decisions away from the "Football people" like Coaches, GM's, etc.. I think it usually doesn't end up for the best, unfortunately.