Training Camp 2017

[Chico23231]

Nugget from Keim:

3. There's reason to feel good about the 2016 draft class, even after Marshall's injury. Receiver Josh Doctson and corner Kendall Fuller have looked good; Su'a Cravens is starting at safety, and defensive lineman Matt Ioannidis has looked bigger and stronger at end. He's done a nice job using that power to win battles, and he has a knack for finding the ball. Former general manager Scot McCloughan loved him last year, partly for his mindset. It's a good start for Ioannidis; where he takes it from here is up to him.

[MTK]

Sounds like Doctson has been a beast.

[CRedskinsRule]

the whole team sounds like they are coming into camp ready to go. Could be an exciting season for this team. They will be the underdogs in the division (other than Philly) and really have had back to back solid years. A little better defense and we could be making a deep playoff run. Might go put 50 on the Skins to reach the SB, just for the hell of it.

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[metalskins]

With the exception of Marshall, things seem to be going pretty well at training camp. I'm very excited to see Pryor and Doctson on the field. Also very excited to see how our defense will be improved.

Every year, I say I need to go to training camp, years come and go and I never get a chance to go.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Its weird how our roster is way better than last year when we were 1 game from the playoffs, but our predictions for this year are very low in a lot of publications. I think we come in 2nd. Giants in 1st and Cowboys in 3rd. With all 3 with good chance of playoffs.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Its weird how our roster is way better than last year when we were 1 game from the playoffs, but our predictions for this year are very low in a lot of publications. I think we come in 2nd. Giants in 1st and Cowboys in 3rd. With all 3 with good chance of playoffs.

Just read an article on ESPN Insider titled: "Predicting the results of every NFL team's boldest offseason move." Here is what they had to say about the Redskins:

Washington Redskins

The move: Not finding a way to improve relations with QB Kirk Cousins

Prediction: Cousins' stats will suffer some in 2017 after the team lost coordinator McVay and key receivers, making it somewhat easier for the team to spin the situation when Cousins leaves as a free agent next offseason.

And I thought one of the comments nailed it by saying:

The Redskins part should have been about whether signing Terrelle Pryor was enough to make up for losing Jackson and Garcon, not just more pandering about Cousins not signing a long term contract.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Just read an article on ESPN Insider titled: "Predicting the results of every NFL team's boldest offseason move." Here is what they had to say about the Redskins:

Washington Redskins

The move: Not finding a way to improve relations with QB Kirk Cousins

Prediction: Cousins' stats will suffer some in 2017 after the team lost coordinator McVay and key receivers, making it somewhat easier for the team to spin the situation when Cousins leaves as a free agent next offseason.

And I thought one of the comments nailed it by saying:

The Redskins part should have been about whether signing Terrelle Pryor was enough to make up for losing Jackson and Garcon, not just more pandering about Cousins not signing a long term contract.

Espn has gone from borderline ok coverage, some very good parts, to ok analysis....to now its mostly garbage. They are working more of a gossip angle, with really bad reporting and worst analysis. Hot takes rule with lil or no factual basis. The beat guys are probably the best stuff....like Keim and his counter parts.

I rarely watch it and find myself going less and less to the webpage. I mean, its really bad now. Sportscenter as a show is completely the worst its every been.

Look at the economics of the business of ESPN...the stumbles and poor decisions are legendary on what not to do.

So, Why should I expect more other than Cousins low-hanging-fruit-analysis that really panders to someone who really doesn't know football...but recognizes the name Cousins as a QB.

ESPN has gone from Icon, to tunnel vision, way to sure of itself, to most tabloid. Disney is so effing pissed.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Just read an article on ESPN Insider titled: "Predicting the results of every NFL team's boldest offseason move." Here is what they had to say about the Redskins:

Washington Redskins

The move: Not finding a way to improve relations with QB Kirk Cousins

Prediction: Cousins' stats will suffer some in 2017 after the team lost coordinator McVay and key receivers, making it somewhat easier for the team to spin the situation when Cousins leaves as a free agent next offseason.

And I thought one of the comments nailed it by saying:

The Redskins part should have been about whether signing Terrelle Pryor was enough to make up for losing Jackson and Garcon, not just more pandering about Cousins not signing a long term contract.

Keeping our qb for another season is not a bold move. Its like a lot of the media root for us to fail. Its weird.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Its weird how our roster is way better than last year when we were 1 game from the playoffs, but our predictions for this year are very low in a lot of publications. I think we come in 2nd. Giants in 1st and Cowboys in 3rd. With all 3 with good chance of playoffs.

Well, I think most talking heads see both the Giants and Cowboys as stronger teams that, barring injury, will continue to improve - particularly the Cowboys b/c of the Dak/Zeke element (which also makes good press/clicks).

We have a really tough schedule logistically, lots of travel to the west coast and no extended home stands (most consecutive games at home is two late in the season, otherwise it rotates home/away throughout the season).

While we believe that we have improved our roster, the improvements are not the kind that jump out all at once. We are starting two new safeties - one who has yet to play it on a regular basis at the pro-level and one who, though highly drafted, has bounced through four teams in his first five years. Last year, generally, we lacked play makers on defense. On offense, we let our starting WR's walk and replaced them with a guy who couldn't get on the field last year and converted QB who most consider still very raw in the new position. Add in the offseason drama and this is a team that - to paraphrase the old adage - only a died-in-the-burgundy-wool fan could love.

Bottom line is that until the Skins show the ability to be consistent winners from year to year, they will always be picked to lose.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, I think most talking heads see both the Giants and Cowboys as stronger teams that, barring injury, will continue to improve - particularly the Cowboys b/c of the Dak/Zeke element (which also makes good press/clicks).

We have a really tough schedule logistically, lots of travel to the west coast and no extended home stands (most consecutive games at home is two late in the season, otherwise it rotates home/away throughout the season).

While we believe that we have improved our roster, the improvements are not the kind that jump out all at once. We are starting two new safeties - one who has yet to play it on a regular basis at the pro-level and one who, though highly drafted, has bounced through four teams in his first five years. Last year, generally, we lacked play makers on defense. On offense, we let our starting WR's walk and replaced them with a guy who couldn't get on the field last year and converted QB who most consider still very raw in the new position. Add in the offseason drama and this is a team that - to paraphrase the old adage - only a died-in-the-burgundy-wool fan could love.

Bottom line is that until the Skins show the ability to be consistent winners from year to year, they will always be picked to lose.

Joe, two winning seasons back to back though?

[MTK]

Definitely a premature prediction, but I could definitely see Doctson and Pryor being an even better duo than Garçon and Jackson.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Definitely a premature prediction, but I could definitely see Doctson and Pryor being an even better duo than Garçon and Jackson.

There are only so many passes to go around. If the running game gets better, there will be fewer balls to catch. Who will see a reduction? Reed, Chris T, Crowder??

A lot of people think Crowder will have breakout season. He had 67 for 847 last yer, he could easily go over 1,000 yards.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Definitely a premature prediction, but I could definitely see Doctson and Pryor being an even better duo than Garçon and Jackson.

If Doctson is healthy, big if until you see it, we'll have 3 explosive receivers and the best tight end in the game. I know i haven't seen him for us yet but i hope we sign Kirk long term and franchise Pryor if needed.

If offense is healthy, Kirk should have a freaking field day most games.

[FlyerSkin]

Vernon Davis will probably end up being the starter at several points in the season. I hope I am proven wrong, but Reed seems like he is not very durable thus far. I am glad we got another TE.

[FrenchSkin]

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Fuller seems to be doing great. Really good news, want him and Breeland pushing each other to their best. It'll give Moreau some time to develop.