Battle of the bad GM's

DRG28 · 01-17-2019, 12:09 AM

I voted Bruce, after reading a lot of the other post, they both are Danny Yes Men

Schneed10 · 12-28-2018, 01:03 PM

To answer the question seriously, I think Allen's method of team building is more likely to result in sustained contention. Vinny went out and whiffed on too many big money free agents and we traded away too many valuable draft picks. Some of that was on Joe Gibbs though if we're being completely honest, the same way the RGIII trade was on Shanahan (remember, they both had final say on roster moves and trades at that time).

But Allen has adopted McCloughan's approach to building through the draft and letting marginal free agents walk for overpriced contracts, turning them into compensatory selections.

That's the formula Bill Belichick uses, except he knows how to coach and how to pick players. Allen at least has the right formula, with none of the know-how. Vinny had nothing at all.

jamf · 12-28-2018, 08:44 PM

Vinny struck out swinging for the fences.
Bruce's objective is mediocrity.

Vinny brought in high priced free agents to fill voids on the team hoping they would push us into the playoffs.
Bruce creates voids and fills them if the $1 store version of their replacement( Garcon/Jackson - Pryor/Richardson).

I give the edge to Vinny and his better record.

mooby · 12-28-2018, 08:54 PM

Oh whoops, looked like I dropped this "Fire Bruce Allen" petition here. Guess I should pick this back up and stick it in my pocket...

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MTK · 12-28-2018, 08:59 PM

Vinny’s w/l record is propped up a bit by Gibbs 2.0 so I don’t put too much stock in that

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sdskinsfan2001 · 12-28-2018, 10:04 PM

There is no right or wrong answer here. Those ass clowns are probably 2 of the worst executives in all of pro sports in the last 30 years. Go Skins lol.

Meks · 12-29-2018, 03:48 AM

Kirk cousins 4-24 record or w.ever when playing winning teams doesn't even make me feel bad... Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas picked before DJax.... All the aging bad money signings on VC... But.... Fuckboth I vote 'indie'

REDSKINS4ever · 12-29-2018, 08:28 AM

That's like voting between retarded and more retarded...the determining factor are the end results....both of them are equally terrible.

skinsfan69 · 12-29-2018, 10:33 AM

I would say Bruce is worse. He has had his hand in 4 different QB's situations and they all turned out to be total failures. And even though Smith got hurt and that was out of his control, he was playing poorly. Plus there was no need to give him all that money. He did that to appease the fanbase cause he screwed up w/ Cousins.

Most people in positions of power in the NFL would get one or two chances w/ the Qb position. He's had 4. Not to mention all the PR embarrassments... winning off the field and so on. He has to be fired the second the game is over Sunday.

mooby · 12-29-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would say Bruce is worse. He has had his hand in 4 different QB's situations and they all turned out to be total failures. And even though Smith got hurt and that was out of his control, he was playing poorly. Plus there was no need to give him all that money. He did that to appease the fanbase cause he screwed up w/ Cousins.

Most people in positions of power in the NFL would get one or two chances w/ the Qb position. He's had 4. Not to mention all the PR embarrassments... winning off the field and so on. He has to be fired the second the game is over Sunday.

Don't hold your breath. I'm still 50/50 on if he'll be fired, but I'd say 20/80 odds that he isn't fired immediately/moved to business ops.

SCRedskinsFan · 12-29-2018, 02:43 PM

It’s amazing how short memories are around here. Vinny was amazingly inept at his job. When Bruce came in, we considered him a savior of sorts, or at least someone who could keep DS at bay. Didn’t exactly work out that way, but as bad as he is in his own way, Bruce is leagues ahead of Vinny.

Anybody that thinks differently is either very new here or has forgotten just how bad the good old days really were.

Buffalo Bob · 12-29-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

It’s amazing how short memories are around here. Vinny was amazingly inept at his job. When Bruce came in, we considered him a savior of sorts, or at least someone who could keep DS at bay. Didn’t exactly work out that way, but as bad as he is in his own way, Bruce is leagues ahead of Vinny.

Anybody that thinks differently is either very new here or has forgotten just how bad the good old days really were.

Leagues ahead? I think the Redskins average 6.5 wins a year under Allen. You are what your record says you are. I am new here, only been a Redskin fan since I moved from the left coast 7 years ago, but I have been following the NFL for 50 years. I still vote Allen the worst because he has repeatedly botched the QB situation in an era where the QB is by far the most important position on the field.

skinsfan69 · 12-29-2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

It’s amazing how short memories are around here. Vinny was amazingly inept at his job. When Bruce came in, we considered him a savior of sorts, or at least someone who could keep DS at bay. Didn’t exactly work out that way, but as bad as he is in his own way, Bruce is leagues ahead of Vinny.

Anybody that thinks differently is either very new here or has forgotten just how bad the good old days really were.

How many draft picks has Bruce given away when it comes to QB's? 1 pick for the Smith trade, plus a quality starter, 2 high picks for McNabb, 3 high picks for Griffin and then he let a quality starting QB leave. So by my count that is 6 high draft picks and two quality starters. I can not remember any NFL executive that has been stupid enough to give all that away, but also one that can survive that.

REDSKINS4ever · 12-29-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How many draft picks has Bruce given away when it comes to QB's? 1 pick for the Smith trade, plus a quality starter, 2 high picks for McNabb, 3 high picks for Griffin and then he let a quality starting QB leave. So by my count that is 6 high draft picks and two quality starters. I can not remember any NFL executive that has been stupid enough to give all that away, but also one that can survive that.

Excellent point....but in the case of the picks that were given up for Robert Griffin Snyder and Allen outvoted Mike Shanahan.... but everything else you highlighted is Allen's own doing....

Defensewins · 12-29-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How many draft picks has Bruce given away when it comes to QB's? 1 pick for the Smith trade, plus a quality starter, 2 high picks for McNabb, 3 high picks for Griffin and then he let a quality starting QB leave. So by my count that is 6 high draft picks and two quality starters. I can not remember any NFL executive that has been stupid enough to give all that away, but also one that can survive that.

Add to that, Allen was voted least trustworthy NFL GM by player agents.
I am not sure Cerrato ever reached that low.
Allen and Cerrato both did a terrible job of running this team.
Allen is not a very good leader and brings out the worst in the Redskins Front Office. The endless amount classless and embarrassing situations created by them is proof enough...it is time for Allen to go. We need a change.
Allen has had enough time. Time is up.

View Poll Results: Worst Redskins GM
Vinny Cerrato	23	45.10%
Bruce Allen	28	54.90%
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01-17-2019, 12:09 AM	#1
DRG28 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 1	Re: Battle of the bad GM's I voted Bruce, after reading a lot of the other post, they both are Danny Yes Men

12-28-2018, 01:03 PM	#2
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Battle of the bad GM's To answer the question seriously, I think Allen's method of team building is more likely to result in sustained contention. Vinny went out and whiffed on too many big money free agents and we traded away too many valuable draft picks. Some of that was on Joe Gibbs though if we're being completely honest, the same way the RGIII trade was on Shanahan (remember, they both had final say on roster moves and trades at that time). But Allen has adopted McCloughan's approach to building through the draft and letting marginal free agents walk for overpriced contracts, turning them into compensatory selections. That's the formula Bill Belichick uses, except he knows how to coach and how to pick players. Allen at least has the right formula, with none of the know-how. Vinny had nothing at all. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-28-2018, 08:44 PM	#3
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,427	Re: Battle of the bad GM's Vinny struck out swinging for the fences. Bruce's objective is mediocrity. Vinny brought in high priced free agents to fill voids on the team hoping they would push us into the playoffs. Bruce creates voids and fills them if the $1 store version of their replacement( Garcon/Jackson - Pryor/Richardson). I give the edge to Vinny and his better record.

12-28-2018, 08:54 PM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Battle of the bad GM's Oh whoops, looked like I dropped this "Fire Bruce Allen" petition here. Guess I should pick this back up and stick it in my pocket... https://www.change.org/p/redskins-ne...omote_or_share

12-28-2018, 08:59 PM	#5
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	Re: Battle of the bad GM's Vinny’s w/l record is propped up a bit by Gibbs 2.0 so I don’t put too much stock in that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-28-2018, 10:04 PM	#6
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 43 Posts: 20,866	Re: Battle of the bad GM's There is no right or wrong answer here. Those ass clowns are probably 2 of the worst executives in all of pro sports in the last 30 years. Go Skins lol. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

12-29-2018, 03:48 AM	#7
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,926	Re: Battle of the bad GM's Kirk cousins 4-24 record or w.ever when playing winning teams doesn't even make me feel bad... Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas picked before DJax.... All the aging bad money signings on VC... But.... Fuckboth I vote 'indie' __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

12-29-2018, 08:28 AM	#8
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: Battle of the bad GM's That's like voting between retarded and more retarded...the determining factor are the end results....both of them are equally terrible. __________________ *Touchdown Washington Redskins!!!*

12-29-2018, 10:33 AM	#9
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: Battle of the bad GM's I would say Bruce is worse. He has had his hand in 4 different QB's situations and they all turned out to be total failures. And even though Smith got hurt and that was out of his control, he was playing poorly. Plus there was no need to give him all that money. He did that to appease the fanbase cause he screwed up w/ Cousins. Most people in positions of power in the NFL would get one or two chances w/ the Qb position. He's had 4. Not to mention all the PR embarrassments... winning off the field and so on. He has to be fired the second the game is over Sunday.

12-29-2018, 02:43 PM	#11
SCRedskinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pawleys Island SC Posts: 686	Re: Battle of the bad GM's It’s amazing how short memories are around here. Vinny was amazingly inept at his job. When Bruce came in, we considered him a savior of sorts, or at least someone who could keep DS at bay. Didn’t exactly work out that way, but as bad as he is in his own way, Bruce is leagues ahead of Vinny. Anybody that thinks differently is either very new here or has forgotten just how bad the good old days really were.

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