Democratic Primary Push for White House

[CRedskinsRule]

To emphasize my point on the evonomy, Gallup's latest poll has a +28 margin for Trump. If Trump wss not such a despicable character his re-election would be a shoe in. But 50 percent of America HATES him. A solid 35% truly fears him and his policies. And his foreign policy runs along lines with his dislike quotient



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[SunnySide]

Does he really want to make it about the economy?

Gross Domestic Product for 2019 was 2.3%. That means economic growth slowed from the prior year. That’s nothing to brag about. The average growth rate since 1947 has been 3.2%. The best GDP growth of the last 15 years was in 2014...an Obama year. He promised 4%-6% GDP growth would pay for his tax cuts...it hasn't happened.

From 2009 to January 2017, Obama’s last month in office, jobs averaged 201,600 per month. Trump, from February 2017 to the end of 2019, averaged just 191,100. That’s 5% less per month.

It's true that wages have increased. But only in states and cities that increased in the minimum wage. Trump and the GOP at large opposed those increases.

^ democratic poster on fox news

Your gibberish doesn't mean a thing.
It's about how consumers view thing.
Consumer Sentiment is at an ALL TIME HIGH!

^ a republican posters reply

CRed - I think you’re right to a degree. What I would like to see is the dems hammering the bullet points to change the public perception.

And your comments about an independent sanders ticket .. or even disenfranchised sanders fans if he doesn’t get it ... well that would be the end of the dems for 2020 and the worst possible scenario for dems. Scaring the crap out of me

[BaltimoreSkins]

Now they release “half” the results way to add to the confusion

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Now they release “half” the results way to add to the confusion

Can u believe Pete is winning? I was told by Bernie bros...this could be a win by 10%.

Not a good start for Biden.

I’m a Klobuchar fan...I like Gabbard too, mostly because she a spitfire smoke show and she sued Hillary.

[Buffalo Bob]

Biden is the only democrat that I will vote for against Trump. If the nomination goes to anyone but him, Will Seemore will get my vote this year for president of the USA as he did last election. Politics in this country is in a sad state. I am sick of all the negativity. A good example is the Democrat's so called firebrand of AOC, most of the time all she is doing is complaining and pointing fingers while providing zero proposed solutions for the problems. She also doesn't seem very bright or informed, she is just noisy.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Can u believe Pete is winning? I was told by Bernie bros...this could be a win by 10%.

Not a good start for Biden.

I’m a Klobuchar fan...I like Gabbard too, mostly because she a spitfire smoke show and she sued Hillary.

I actually can based on what I was hearing. Very pragmatic probably the most moderate/conservative of all candidates. Former military guy. Not sure if America will elect a gay man. I really love me some Gabbard, military vet, reaches across the aisle, progressive, plus she values sustainability which priority one for me got to stop passing the buck to the next generation part of the reason we are in this deficit mess.

[Chico23231]

yes!!! been waiting for it.

NBC news has now linked Trump to the Iowa caucus debacle...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securit...sults-n1131521


LOL, and here comes Shelia!

Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas suggested Wednesday that the Russians were behind the vote-reporting app crashing during Monday’s Iowa Democratic caucuses.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/06...ter-on-russia/

[Chico23231]

Lol the Iowa conspiracy theorist out in full force today. What a complete shit show that keeps getting better.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRoss...61051506585602

Rachel Maddow pushing conspiracy theory and disinformation that 4chan to blame...amazing.

[SunnySide]

So you dont think 4chan didnt repeatedly post the DNC number and encourage members to call in?

You dont think people called in to clog the lines?

Are you saying the above 2 things didnt happen? We could argue that DNC should have been prepared, tactics like that are par for the course nowadays etc ... but are you saying these 2 things above did not happen and is being completely made up?

Its not a big deal to me, we could argue about the scale or effectiveness .. but are you saying this is all completely made up? That 4cahn didnt post the number repeatedly, didnt encourage people to call in and that no one called in to clog the lines?

Just trying to see where the line is at. I personally dont think it is a big deal and should be expected nowadays. But im sure 4chan did do it and im sure its members did call in.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

So you dont think 4chan didnt repeatedly post the DNC number and encourage members to call in?

You dont think people called in to clog the lines?

Are you saying the above 2 things didnt happen? We could argue that DNC should have been prepared, tactics like that are par for the course nowadays etc ... but are you saying these 2 things above did not happen and is being completely made up?

Its not a big deal to me, we could argue about the scale or effectiveness .. but are you saying this is all completely made up? That 4cahn didnt post the number repeatedly, didnt encourage people to call in and that no one called in to clog the lines?

Just trying to see where the line is at. I personally dont think it is a big deal and should be expected nowadays. But im sure 4chan did do it and im sure its members did call in.

First and foremost from an operations perspective you better expect high volume if there is a major issue like a tech...and they ran into it. So you didn't inspect therefore you failed. So you weren't prepared "in case of an emergency"...contingency plan? business continuity? Laughable and 1000% unacceptable from the DNC.

Second, this conspiracy theory of clogged lines was reported with no facts. No evidence of outside interference. Per the Bloomberg fake news "It is unclear how many prank calls the hotline received or how much they contributed to the delays". In others word, zero facts or evidence to base a report on.

3rd, the phone number could be found on google. So its public knowledge and there wasn't a nefarious act which sought to uncover the number for the purpose of sabotage.

4th, From people investigate what amounts to a thread on a message board, people looking stated out of the 2000 post thread, there were ONLY 3 post which made reference to prank this number.


To put this all on trump and trump supporters...its laughable, conspiracy theory bullshit. DNC fuck this up from day 1

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

First and foremost from an operations perspective you better expect high volume if there is a major issue like a tech...and they ran into it. So you didn't inspect therefore you failed. So you weren't prepared "in case of an emergency"...contingency plan? business continuity? Laughable and 1000% unacceptable from the DNC.

Second, this conspiracy theory of clogged lines was reported with no facts. No evidence of outside interference. Per the Bloomberg fake news "It is unclear how many prank calls the hotline received or how much they contributed to the delays". In others word, zero facts or evidence to base a report on.

3rd, the phone number could be found on google. So its public knowledge and there wasn't a nefarious act which sought to uncover the number for the purpose of sabotage.

4th, From people investigate what amounts to a thread on a message board, people looking stated out of the 2000 post thread, there were ONLY 3 post which made reference to prank this number.


To put this all on trump and trump supporters...its laughable, conspiracy theory bullshit. DNC fuck this up from day 1

I agree, the number was easily found on google, I agree that there should be back up plans to the back up plans.

Sounds like we also agree - 4chan did post the number and urge people to clog the lines, people did call with the intent of clogging the lines.

Up for debate is how many people actually called and what, if any, effect it had on the lines. So its not a "conspiracy theory" as we agree it happened but the debate is how much of an impact, if any, it had.

Bridging the divide .. cheers.

[Chico23231]

Lol yeah agreeing the phone number was posted on 4chan is not the same as saying folks clogged up phones line which is the conspiracy theory claim. Pushing a false narrative is a specialty by the left. Next I’m sure Susan Rice will be pushed out onto the Sunday news shows ala Benghazi event to tell the American public this happened because of a YouTube video.

Maybe you also agree with dem congresswoman Sheila Jackson that the Russians were behind the app going down.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol yeah agreeing the phone number was posted on 4chan is not the same as saying folks clogged up phones line which is the conspiracy theory claim. Pushing a false narrative is a specialty by the left. Next I’m sure Susan Rice will be pushed out onto the Sunday news shows ala Benghazi event to tell the American public this happened because of a YouTube video.

Maybe you also agree with dem congresswoman Sheila Jackson that the Russians were behind the app going down.

ya see man .. I was trying to find the small things we could at least agree on and then perhaps work our way from there. Honestly, I dont know what "benghazi" has to do with this.

We agree 4chan did it.

We agree we dont know the extent of it.

We agree the DNC should have been better prepared.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

ya see man .. I was trying to find the small things we could at least agree on and then perhaps work our way from there. Honestly, I dont know what "benghazi" has to do with this.

We agree 4chan did it.

We agree we dont know the extent of it.

We agree the DNC should have been better prepared.

It really is hard to find those small points of agreement. I didn't look into any of it, so I will happily agree and move on.

I am far more interested to see how the Democratic Party resolves the moderate vs socialist split. Seems like a 3 way race at this point, Socialist Bernie vs Pete the Moderate vs Bloomberg the rich. I think Pete has the best chance to win the general election, but will the whole party back him.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It really is hard to find those small points of agreement. I didn't look into any of it, so I will happily agree and move on.

I am far more interested to see how the Democratic Party resolves the moderate vs socialist split. Seems like a 3 way race at this point, Socialist Bernie vs Pete the Moderate vs Bloomberg the rich. I think Pete has the best chance to win the general election, but will the whole party back him.

As a moderate (doesnt everyone consider themselves a moderate? lol) .. it worries me to see the Democratic party move left. But are we?

AOC only represents a small pocket of NYC yet it seems she is "speaking for all liberals and democrats", when in fact she is not. She is an extreme brand. I do think AOC would vote for open borders and that idea is completely nuts to me. But I think that idea is completely nuts to 80% of the democratic party.I wish someone, Biden or Warren or Bloomberg would come out and say "open borders is not a realistic option".
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Bernie Sanders from his website:

Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88 percent.
Invest $1.3 billion every year in private, non-profit historically black colleges and universities and minority-serving institutions
End equity gaps in higher education attainment. And ensure students are able to cover non-tuition costs of attending school by: expanding Pell Grants to cover non-tuition and fee costs, tripling funding for the Work-Study Program, and more.

^^ does this mean free college? Would students have to do well in school and placement tests first? Our taxes would certainly go up. The idea that a kid who didnt give a crap about school, just barely graduated would then be offered free college is crazy to me.

^^ 1.3B a year to HBCUs ... I think we can steer some money through grants or other programs but to give free money to schools seems non-productive.

End the housing crisis by investing $2.5 trillion to build nearly 10 million permanently affordable housing units.
Protect tenants by implementing a national rent control standard, a “just-cause” requirement for evictions, and ensuring the right to counsel in housing disputes.
Make rent affordable by making Section 8 vouchers available to all eligible families without a waitlist and strengthening the Fair Housing Act.
Combat gentrification, exclusionary zoning, segregation, and speculation.
End homelessness and ensure fair housing for all
Revitalize public housing by investing $70 billion to repair, decarbonize, and build new public housing.

^^ the waitlist in MD is 8 years or so, they arent even letting people on the list to my understanding ... if you make section 8 avail for all, immediately ... that number sounds astronomical to me.

Institute a moratorium on deportations until a thorough audit of past practices and policies is complete.
Reinstate and expand DACA and develop a humane policy for those seeking asylum.
Completely reshape and reform our immigration enforcement system, including breaking up ICE and CBP and redistributing their functions to their proper authorities.
Dismantle cruel and inhumane deportation programs and detention centers and reunite families who have been separated.
Live up to our ideals as a nation and welcome refugees and those seeking asylum, including those displaced by climate change.

^^ this is basically open borders to me. Anyone can walk in, say "asylum" and we accept them? Break up ICE? Suspend all deportations?



Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
No networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays, no surprise bills.
Medicare coverage will be expanded and improved to include: include dental, hearing, vision, and home- and community-based long-term care, in-patient and out-patient services, mental health and substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, prescription drugs, and more.
Stop the pharmaceutical industry from ripping off the American people by making sure that no one in America pays over $200 a year for the medicine they need by capping what Americans pay for prescription drugs under Medicare for All.

^^healthcare is still crazy expensive. I have a 4k deductible so basically I am paying my health ins costs every year. I guess if I have surgery and it is not deemed elective, ins will kick in ... one day.

I dont know what to do about health ins. I work hard, went through college and grad school and make good money ... so now my kid will get the same treatment, sitting in the same waiting room as a kid whose parents dont work and just sit around smoking cigarettes?

I imagine the wait to get out-patient appointments will be months and people will just walk into hospitals making them inpatient centers.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
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Benrie is crazy to me and id not vote vs voting for him. The other Dems Id vote for.