Joe Gibbs Sending tapes to NFL

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

You know if the 4 plays are admitted by NFL as being the wrong calls (which resulted in 17 points for Tampa), which they would have to admit cost the redskins the game (even just considering the 2 point conversion) - the nfl could atone for the refs' mistakes and award the redskins the tie-breaker if it comes down to Tampa Bay and the skins.

Very true, but imagine the fallout of them doing that. If something like that were to happen, you'd NEVER know who won the game even after the final whistle because every team would find the most minute thing to look for that affected the game.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true, but imagine the fallout of them doing that. If something like that were to happen, you'd NEVER know who won the game even after the final whistle because every team would find the most minute thing to look for that affected the game.

Yeah they're never going to do something like that. I don't think it is even allowed under the CBA and league rules. The best we can hope for is some friendly overly friendly officiating through the next 7 games.
This whole situation shows how instant replay simply needs more tweaking. I think it ought not be the head ref who reviews the replay but an NFL official. What's the point of having a ref who has bias built in deciding whether the guy he has spent the last 4 months with and is very good friends with got something wrong? I think it would be impossible to expect them to have a completely fair and unbalanced view. Get someone who doesn't mind revealing that the refs blew it.

[irish]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Yeah they're never going to do something like that. I don't think it is even allowed under the CBA and league rules. The best we can hope for is some friendly overly friendly officiating through the next 7 games.
This whole situation shows how instant replay simply needs more tweaking. I think it ought not be the head ref who reviews the replay but an NFL official. What's the point of having a ref who has bias built in deciding whether the guy he has spent the last 4 months with and is very good friends with got something wrong? I think it would be impossible to expect them to have a completely fair and unbalanced view. Get someone who doesn't mind revealing that the refs blew it.

I think instant replay should be done away with permanently. It has not done what it was supposed to do, eliminate bad calls and controversy, and never will. Just let the refs on the field make the call, right or wrong, and move on.

[scowan]

What good does it do to "send in tapes" if you can't take the "L" out of the standings. The results are the same... "I'm sorry" doesn't get you into the playoffs at the end of the year. I appreciate the effort by Gibbs, maybe these Refs will learn and not make the mistake again. I sometimes feel like the "call on the field" is so golden, that the head ref is scared to overturn it. If everyone knows Alstott was not in, but the Ref still did not over turn it, after looking at it from 2 or 3 angles for 1 minute and a half, then later the NFL officals come out and say.... "Well we looked at it for 2-3 more minutes and it looks different now" Geez! We got screwed, just face it!!

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by scowan

What good does it do to "send in tapes" if you can't take the "L" out of the standings. The results are the same... "I'm sorry" doesn't get you into the playoffs at the end of the year. I appreciate the effort by Gibbs, maybe these Refs will learn and not make the mistake again. I sometimes feel like the "call on the field" is so golden, that the head ref is scared to overturn it. If everyone knows Alstott was not in, but the Ref still did not over turn it, after looking at it from 2 or 3 angles for 1 minute and a half, then later the NFL officals come out and say.... "Well we looked at it for 2-3 more minutes and it looks different now" Geez! We got screwed, just face it!!

It does do some good. The referees are graded based on their performance, and showing the league that they blew calls will make it far less likely that they will be invited to ref playoff contests or the Super Bowl. I'll personally be happy that these guys wont be there to screw us when we're playing in Detroit!!!

Redskins: Clearly Winning the Superbowl.

[MTK]

True you can't take away the loss, but as a coach you can't sit back and let horrible calls like that go unnoticed by the league.

[scowan]

One more thought on this and then I will quit thinking about Tampa and move on to the Raiders.... If someone would have told me the Skins would have put up 35 points on the Bucs last week, I would not have watched and put it down as a "W". Forget all of "bad calls" because there is no way that the Skins should have allowed Chris Simms and the Bucs to score 36 points. Maybe 17-21 but not 36. Our Defense lost the game for us, not the Refs.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by scowan

One more thought on this and then I will quit thinking about Tampa and move on to the Raiders.... If someone would have told me the Skins would have put up 35 points on the Bucs last week, I would not have watched and put it down as a "W". Forget all of "bad calls" because there is no way that the Skins should have allowed Chris Simms and the Bucs to score 36 points. Maybe 17-21 but not 36. Our Defense lost the game for us, not the Refs.

Did you see the previous response regarding the possible 17 point swing on the what the refs called on the field. If thats the case Tampa scores maybe 20.

[MTK]

The defense AND the refs lost this one.

I don't see how we can just dismiss the 17 points that were handed to the Bucs on a silver platter.

[firstdown]

When all is said in done our D gave up one big play after another and Sims played his best game as a QB. I will agree that the calls hurt our chances but if our D plays their game we still win and remember the turnovers in the first half gave them atleast 14 points.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

When all is said in done our D gave up one big play after another and Sims played his best game as a QB. I will agree that the calls hurt our chances but if our D plays their game we still win and remember the turnovers in the first half gave them atleast 14 points.

I do agree our D has to play better. However, as a coach Williams has to put our players in better positions. We can not send 7 or 8 guys at the end of game (one of those being our best corner) after the QB and leaving a rookie, 2nd string safety, and #2 corner on the outside one on one. That is bad playcalling!! Especially since these blitzes have NOT worked all day, and Simms was eating us alive everytime we blitzed him. Williams has to swallow some of that ego and adjust his game plan or defensive calls. This has been a problem for the last few games. No pressure on the blitz, means big plays down field.

[MTK]

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

I agree be aggressive, the D did give up big plays but like we have said all week it is many factors and saying the D cost us is wrong also. They got at least 14 of a very short field one from the five or so. 16 points by the refs 14 by turnovers and the short field. I guess 6 earned where they drove the field on our D. I would agree send Walt Harris or Carlos Rogers on the Blitz instead of Springs. Send those tapes and hope the league recognizes that these calls are killing the game in some instances. I don't ever rememebr it being that big of an issue except for the past two years this year in particular.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't question GW bringing pressure, that's his MO and always has been. If you can't get to the QB when bringing extra guys you have to tip your hat to the Bucs for picking things up.

GW simply is not a passive coach who is going to sit back in coverage, he's going to come after you even when conventional wisdom says not to.

Personally I'd rather lose by being aggressive than to see a team dink and dunk their way down the field while you're in prevent mode.

I dont really question the aggresivness, but the package I do. We blitzed Springs on that TD play, which I think was a mistake. Springs is our "shutdown" guy. If we were leaving anyone in single coverage, it should have been him, not Walt Harris.

[MTK]

Springs also had 6 sacks last year, so he's proven to be an effective blitzer.