Coronavirus (non political)

[Chico23231]

Wow you are spinning this wildly. Stick to the facts

Jfc it’s pathetic at this point

[SunnySide]

chico - can you calmly or rationally explain how I am spinning this or ignoring facts? I 100% honestly want to know. Is my math wrong? Could very well be. Arent percentages only important when you apply that percent to a total number?

You want to champion a low percent mortality rate, okay that is an important part of the discussion .. but then end the discussion as "spinning" when a person takes the logical next step of appling that rate to the total infection number.

If I am spinning ... please spell it out for me in a logical way. I 100% want to know if perhaps I am bias blind here. I very well could be and genuinely want to know.

[Chico23231]

Like to see the Flu deaths from 2019 in the same age ranges for the same months


Wonder what they would be?

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Like to see the Flu deaths from 2019 in the same age ranges for the same months


Wonder what they would be?

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Am I allowed to *gasp* do math here or will that be considered spinning?

34,200/35,500,000 = ________________ ?

[Chico23231]

Cool got the raw data from CDC of influenzas from 2017-2018

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...018.htm#table1

So running estimates of COVID deaths versus flu death even with a vaccine...the point where deaths separate looks to be after 35 years of age. COVID takes off...but under 35 Years old total deaths down big time versus COVID.

[Chico23231]

None of the above data answers the question, "What is my risk of dying from coronavirus if I get infected?" For that, we need to look at the infection fatality rate (IFR), which is the percentage of people who die given that they are infected. (This includes people with asymptomatic infections or those who are infected but never get tested.) One group believes the range is 0.1% to 0.41% (with a point estimate of 0.28%). Another group, which examined deaths in Geneva, Switzerland, concluded that the overall IFR is 0.38% to 0.98% (with a point estimate of 0.64%.)

Of course, IFR varies depending on age. Young people are far less likely to die than older people. The Swiss study estimated IFR's by age group.

Also from my cdc link above

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

None of the above data answers the question, "What is my risk of dying from coronavirus if I get infected?" For that, we need to look at the infection fatality rate (IFR), which is the percentage of people who die given that they are infected. (This includes people with asymptomatic infections or those who are infected but never get tested.) One group believes the range is 0.1% to 0.41% (with a point estimate of 0.28%). Another group, which examined deaths in Geneva, Switzerland, concluded that the overall IFR is 0.38% to 0.98% (with a point estimate of 0.64%.)

Of course, IFR varies depending on age. Young people are far less likely to die than older people. The Swiss study estimated IFR's by age group.

Also from my cdc link above

chico you're leaving out a very important fact(no surprise there) ,....................underlying conditions.The groups you are touting what were the "underlying"conditions these people had, I,E,....High blood pressure ,Diabetes, Heart disease....etc.

[SunnySide]

In the study, researchers surveilled pediatric health centers across the U.S. from March 15 to May 20. Of 186 MIS-C patients in 26 states, researchers found that 73 percent were previously healthy and 70 percent tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. The median age was 8.3 years, and patients were hospitalized for about a week.


The study found that most of the pediatric patients had no underlying health conditions. (iStock)
The study found that most of the pediatric patients had no underlying health conditions. (iStock)
Most patients had a fever lasting four or more days.

Also, for a small number of patients, 25 days had passed between the onset of COVID-19 symptoms and hospitalization for MIS-C.

“These findings suggest that a substantial proportion of the patients in this series were infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least 1 to 2 weeks before the onset of MIS-C,” authors wrote.


Study authors said 80 percent of patients underwent intensive care, and 20 percent received mechanical ventilation. Coronary-artery aneurysms were reported in 15 patients and four patients died.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/kids-...tory-condition
If anyone sees a good article of kid hospitalizations or a clean accurate description of how covid final death numbers are counted, Please post it. I can’t find 100% clear articles on it.

[MTK]

The world’s biggest coronavirus vaccine study begins, a U.S. trial that will include 30,000 people to see if the shots really work

[Chico23231]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN24V1ZQ

In just days, Vietnam shifts from virus-free paradise to panic

Its not just a US problem...it’s never been that from day one.


Looks like the media is effectively ignoring Sweden when three weeks ago it gleefully said it was a failure. Guess what, Sweden hasn’t recorded in a COVID death in a couple days

Why are Sweden's coronavirus figures falling so sharply and what does it mean for the future?

https://www.thelocal.se/20200724/why...ing-so-sharply

Heard immunity

[MTK]

It affects virtually nobody you know

[CRedskinsRule]

Here is an interesting page, you all probably have looked at it, but it is the "excess death" chart from the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

[SolidSnake84]

Well, it looks like the FDA is getting ready to announce some new rules that is going to make it tremendously tougher to get a vaccine approved, even under emergency use authorization.

TLDR version is that vaccine companies won't even be able to apply for authorization until sometime next summer - fall. We could potentially see the first round of people being vaccinated next fall, with probably most of the USA vaccinated by the middle of 2022.. So many countries are already vaccinating people, i just think it is going to be tremendously embarrassing for America that we will be one of the last, if not THE last country in the world to deploy a vaccine.

[Giantone]

LOL, this bozo was warned and did it again anyway !


https://www.thebaynet.com/articles/0...ng-orders.html


UPDATE: Hughesville Man Sentenced 1 Year in Jail for Having 60 People Over for Bonfire, Violating Social Distancing Orders


LA PLATA, Md. - Tony Covington, State’s Attorney for Charles County, announced that on Friday, September 25, 2020, Shawn Marshall Myers, after a bench trial before District Court Judge W. Louis Hennessy, was convicted of two counts of Failure to Comply with an Emergency Order. Immediately after the trial, Judge Hennessy sentenced Myers, 42 of Hughesville, to 1 year of active incarceration to be served at the Charles County Detention Center. Upon release, Myers will be on unsupervised probation for a period of three years.

On March 22, 2020, multiple officers responded to Myers’ residence located in the 15200 block of Lukes Lane in Hughesville for the report of a large party violating Governor Larry Hogan’s State of Emergency and Large Gathering Orders. Large gatherings were strictly prohibited under the orders. Myers had approximately fifty people in attendance at his residence. Upon arrival, officers told Myers that his party violated the current mandate. Myers was argumentative with officers but eventually agreed to disband his party.

Less than a week later, on March 27, 2020, officers responded back to Myers’ residence for another report of a party exceeding fifty people. Officers told Myers to disband the party, but again he was argumentative claiming he and his guests had the right to congregate. Beyond being argumentative, Myers directed his guests to stay in defiance of Governor Hogan’s Orders and the officers’ lawful orders to disband the party. Officers tried to reason with Myers and obtain his cooperation to no avail. Myers was then apprehended.

[SunnySide]

The U.S. recorded over 71,000 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, marking the highest single-day increase since July. Data tracked by Johns Hopkins University also reported more than 850 deaths tied to the novel coronavirus.

California, Florida, Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana were among states that saw the highest increase in cases, contributing to the nation’s total of 8.4 million illnesses. As of Friday, the U.S. has reported 223,059 COVID-19-related deaths since the outbreak began.

The surge comes as a number of states across the Midwest grapple with how to handle the influx of cases and patients, while some businesses and residents continue to defy closure orders and public health measures. In North Dakota, for instance, where the state saw a new case high reported on Tuesday, officials have asked residents to conduct their own contact tracing if they test positive for the coronavirus.

The uptick in illnesses have left contact tracers in the state overwhelmed and strapped for resources, officials said. The state has also reported a backlog in case investigations.

In Wisconsin, health care professionals urged residents to practice social distancing and wear face masks as the hospital system risks becoming overwhelmed. The state opened a field hospital last week, and recently admitted its first patient, according to local reports.

“We are thankful to have this facility available to Wisconsinites and our hospitals, but also saddened that this is where Wisconsin is at today,” Gov. Tony Evers said, in a statement. “Folks, please stay home. Help us protect our communities from this highly-contagious virus and void further strain on our hospitals.”

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-re...onavirus-cases