Fitzmagic Thread

[irish]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I'm not so sure. Heinicke and Allen were both backups brought over from Carolina, I'm not sure Coach Ron favors Allen as much as we may think he does. Heinicke is the one that just got paid decent backup money too, 2 years just under $5 mil. Allen's only signed for 1 year, $850K, plus we've seen him for an extended time with this team and didn't win games.

Heinicke was brought in from the St. Louis BattleHawks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Agree. Allen is RR's version of Colt McCoy and will be the #2. Unless TH does something spectacular he will likely be the odd man out.

I say Heinicke makes the team but he will likely be inactive on game days as the #3. Fitz will start and Allen will be the #2. I don't think there will be any true competition going on.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MTK

I say Heinicke makes the team but he will likely be inactive on game days as the #3. Fitz will start and Allen will be the #2. I don't think there will be any true competition going on.

And if Fitz goes, down, Heinicke jumps to starter with Allen remaining the "gameday backup?"

I could see it happening.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

I say Heinicke makes the team but he will likely be inactive on game days as the #3. Fitz will start and Allen will be the #2. I don't think there will be any true competition going on.

Yes, When I say odd man out I don't mean cut I mean not dressing on game day.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I was looking at Fitzpatrick's situational stats on nfl.com in terms of interceptions over the last couple of seasons. Pretty interesting. It looks like his biggest struggle is between his own 20 and the 50. I wish they had it broken up by down and or distance to know more. He also tends to throw way more when behind which is not a surprise but he doesn't do to bad when behind by less than one score.
2018 playing behind by 9-16 points 4 TDs 6 INT
2018 playing behind by 8-1 points 2 TDs 2 INT
2019 9-16 points 2 TD 1 INT
2019 8-1 points 5 TD 2 INT
2020 9-16 points 1 TD 2 INT
2020 8-1 points 2 TD 3 INT

Not great but not bad. Last two years he was better passer first half of game than second by a fair margin but 2018 was awesome in 2nd half got better as game went on. Hopefully last two years not a trend.

[CRedskinsRule]

I will reverse this question, why the disdain for Heinicke. There were breakdowns of his two games that showed he had some qualities. For those that knock the multiple teams - he failed to replace the following qbs
brady,
Watson,
And Newton (when he was more in his prime)

Not many were going to beat those 3.

There is precedence in Kurt Warner and others coming back.

I get the limited play but his game against TB was exceptional especially given the limited practice.

Someone mentioned Montez and there was an article about using him in the Taysom Hill role. More splitting of snaps but that is a way to get other qbs chances to shine.

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[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will reverse this question, why the disdain for Heinicke. There were breakdowns of his two games that showed he had some qualities. For those that knock the multiple teams - he failed to replace the following qbs
brady,
Watson,
And Newton (when he was more in his prime)

Not many were going to beat those 3.

There is precedence in Kurt Warner and others coming back.

I get the limited play but his game against TB was exceptional especially given the limited practice.

Someone mentioned Montez and there was an article about using him in the Taysom Hill role. More splitting of snaps but that is a way to get other qbs chances to shine.

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I don't have disdain for TH but there's a reason he was out of the NFL and with the BattleHawks (not ever playing). The idea he is a viable NFL starting QB is ridiculous. He could very well become a solid backup but that's his ceiling.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will reverse this question, why the disdain for Heinicke. There were breakdowns of his two games that showed he had some qualities. For those that knock the multiple teams - he failed to replace the following qbs
brady,
Watson,
And Newton (when he was more in his prime)

Not many were going to beat those 3.

There is precedence in Kurt Warner and others coming back.

I get the limited play but his game against TB was exceptional especially given the limited practice.

Someone mentioned Montez and there was an article about using him in the Taysom Hill role. More splitting of snaps but that is a way to get other qbs chances to shine.

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No disdain at all, just reality. He played well in one game and one quarter of another. Basically every time he's stepped on the field in the NFL he's been hurt. He's 27 and until last year was almost out of the league entirely.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

No disdain at all, just reality. He played well in one game and one quarter of another. Basically every time he's stepped on the field in the NFL he's been hurt. He's 27 and until last year was almost out of the league entirely.

Very similar to Kurt Warner who was out of the league until he was 27. In his previous stint at Carolina with RR he was Newton's backup over Kyle Allen even getting the start ahead of KA when Newton was sidelined.

The injury issue I get, but it seems that is where having Fitz ready to step in makes a ton of sense. If Heinicke shows he is durable enough, and can not be a turnover machine, he has a shot. If not Fitz is there to start.

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[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Very similar to Kurt Warner who was out of the league until he was 27. In his previous stint at Carolina with RR he was Newton's backup over Kyle Allen even getting the start ahead of KA when Newton was sidelined.

The injury issue I get, but it seems that is where having Fitz ready to step in makes a ton of sense. If Heinicke shows he is durable enough, and can not be a turnover machine, he has a shot. If not Fitz is there to start.

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Its not even close to Warner. Warner was first team all AFL in 96 & 97 and led the Barnstormers to the Arena Bowl in those years. Warner was kicking ass in the AFL. TH couldn't start in the XFL. Again, no disdain for TH just reality.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will reverse this question, why the disdain for Heinicke. There were breakdowns of his two games that showed he had some qualities. For those that knock the multiple teams - he failed to replace the following qbs
brady,
Watson,
And Newton (when he was more in his prime)

Not many were going to beat those 3.

There is precedence in Kurt Warner and others coming back.

I get the limited play but his game against TB was exceptional especially given the limited practice.

Someone mentioned Montez and there was an article about using him in the Taysom Hill role. More splitting of snaps but that is a way to get other qbs chances to shine.

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My feelings for TH are I think he will get a shot at the field but I just doubt he has the ability to compete with RF. If he can that is a win for us but at his age he is still a short term option. In terms of Montez watching him warm up when TH came out of the TB game for a second he had no desire to be on the field maybe he has growth this offseason.

[Chief X_Phackter]

TH is no Kurt Warner.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

TH is no Kurt Warner.

Plus Kurt Warner was a complete anomaly, there's a reason why his story is so unique. It never happens.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by irish

Its not even close to Warner. Warner was first team all AFL in 96 & 97 and led the Barnstormers to the Arena Bowl in those years. Warner was kicking ass in the AFL. TH couldn't start in the XFL. Again, no disdain for TH just reality.

Don't forget the season he lit it up in the EFL (Amsterdam), that set up his chance to start for the Rams. Can't help thinking if the NFL seriously wants to improve talent levels (particularly at QB) then resurrecting the EFL wouldn't be the worst idea.

[irish]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Don't forget the season he lit it up in the EFL (Amsterdam), that set up his chance to start for the Rams. Can't help thinking if the NFL seriously wants to improve talent levels (particularly at QB) then resurrecting the EFL wouldn't be the worst idea.

I did forget about that. Thanks for the history lesson.

Good point about the EFL and developing players. I definitely think something like the EFL would be good because college, IMO, doesn't do a good job of developing QBs for the NFL. That said, why would the NFL want to change when it already has a player development system that doesn't cost them a dime?