Welcome Carson Wentz

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You guys are thinking of the Carson Wentz of a few years ago. He's a bad QB now. He isn't much better than TH and costs a lot more plus you just gave up a couple of picks.

Reminds me a lot of the McNabb trade. Damaged goods.

This is nothing like the McNabb trade and you're reaching with this comment.

I'm not saying you have to like this, but you're making it worst than it seems. And Heinecke was terrible.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

This is nothing like the McNabb trade and you're reaching with this comment.

I'm not saying you have to like this, but you're making it worst than it seems. And Heinecke was terrible.

Watch him when his team needed him the most. He shit all over himself against the worst team in the league. Winning QB's don't do that.

I have just never really been a fan of the guy. It's like the league caught up to him and he had no change up. He is always trying to make superman plays ducking under the d-linemen, then he either fumbles or takes horrible sacks. He just makes way too many bad plays. He is a bigger version of RG3.

Again, when two teams move on from you that is just a really bad sign. Real bad. Ballard is a solid GM, he's not going to just get rid of his starting QB for no reason.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watch him when his team needed him the most. He shit all over himself against the worst team in the league. Winning QB's don't do that.

I have just never really been a fan of the guy. It's like the league caught up to him and he had no change up. He is always trying to make superman plays ducking under the d-linemen, then he either fumbles or takes horrible sacks. He just makes way too many bad plays. He is a bigger version of RG3.

Again, when two teams move on from you that is just a really bad sign. Real bad. Ballard is a solid GM, he's not going to just get rid of his starting QB for no reason.

Ballard gave up a first for Wentz. He's not a solid GM by your argument.

I don't love this move, but I'm not going out of my way to say that it was terrible.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ballard gave up a first for Wentz. He's not a solid GM by your argument.

I don't love this move, but I'm not going out of my way to say that it was terrible.

A first and a 3rd.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ballard gave up a first for Wentz. He's not a solid GM by your argument.

I don't love this move, but I'm not going out of my way to say that it was terrible.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ballard gave up a first for Wentz. He's not a solid GM by your argument.

I don't love this move, but I'm not going out of my way to say that it was terrible.

Yep... and he did what a good GM does, admits his mistake right away, then finds a sucker to make up for that mistake and washes his hands of it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watch him when his team needed him the most. He shit all over himself against the worst team in the league. Winning QB's don't do that.

I have just never really been a fan of the guy. It's like the league caught up to him and he had no change up. He is always trying to make superman plays ducking under the d-linemen, then he either fumbles or takes horrible sacks. He just makes way too many bad plays. He is a bigger version of RG3.

Again, when two teams move on from you that is just a really bad sign. Real bad. Ballard is a solid GM, he's not going to just get rid of his starting QB for no reason.

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

Agreed on everything said.

Why wouldnt we be on the hook for about 12.2M in bonus money? Ive seen this said but just by fans

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

Totally wrong on Wilson. We had zero chance w/ him. It was never going to happen here.

I just don't see the 3rd round and 2nd round picks being average. They could turn to be a lot more. As I said out best player is a 2nd rounder.

My point is you can go out and get an average QB and not give up the compensation. I mention maybe not re-signing McKissic. We talked about Mitch, Winston and so on. Ok maybe they sign elsewhere. Then what about Bridgewater? He knows this offense. He is also an average QB. You can get the same production out of him w/out the financial cost or draft pick comp.

Yes Wentz has highlights but he also has a lot of lowlights. A lot of them. I think Ballard said that the problem w/ this guy is he simply misses the layups. He misses the easy routine plays that any NFL QB can make. That is why has has been moved twice.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

Well said. I agree 100%.

[HTTR]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

+1

The harsh reality is that his is what progress looks like for Washington football. At least no one’s accusing Snyder of forcing Wentz on RR.

[skinsfaninok]

Darius Leonard is not happy with Wentz leaving. Said “here we go again with another year another QB”


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[mooby]

Don't love it - don't hate it either. Mostly negative feelings because he's not the quarterback he used to be and I don't think stats tell the true story. This board loves to shit on Kirk because he puts up good stats but doesn't elevate the Vikings to the next level - I feel the same way about Wentz. He didn't even show up in the biggest game of the year last year for the Colts.

Would we take 27/7 if it meant another 7-10 record? Would you take 16/15 if we went 10-7?

If Scott Turner is the offensive coordinator Ron thinks he is - and Wentz is a pleasant surprise his stock will go up. If not we're gonna look like bitches - because no-top tier qb wants to even look in our direction and we gave up a pair of 3rd rounders - or worse a 3 and a 2nd - for a has been qb.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Don't love it - don't hate it either. Mostly negative feelings because he's not the quarterback he used to be and I don't think stats tell the true story. This board loves to shit on Kirk because he puts up good stats but doesn't elevate the Vikings to the next level - I feel the same way about Wentz. He didn't even show up in the biggest game of the year last year for the Colts.

Would we take 27/7 if it meant another 7-10 record? Would you take 16/15 if we went 10-7?

If Scott Turner is the offensive coordinator Ron thinks he is - and Wentz is a pleasant surprise his stock will go up. If not we're gonna look like bitches - because no-top tier qb wants to even look in our direction and we gave up a pair of 3rd rounders - or worse a 3 and a 2nd - for a has been qb.

I don't think giving up a pair of 3rd rounders is the worst thing, if it allows you to wait until the draft and see if you can get a QB at #11 or it gives you the ability to trade down.

Wentz is just a bridge QB, and I do prefer a 1-year and a way out, than overpaying Winston/Trubisky/Mariota for two years.

And yes, giving up a pair of 3rd rounders is overpaying, but that happens with QBs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't think giving up a pair of 3rd rounders is the worst thing, if it allows you to wait until the draft and see if you can get a QB at #11 or it gives you the ability to trade down.

Wentz is just a bridge QB, and I do prefer a 1-year and a way out, than overpaying Winston/Trubisky/Mariota for two years.

And yes, giving up a pair of 3rd rounders is overpaying, but that happens with QBs.

Giving up the picks isn't bad if you are let's say the Rams. We ain't that. We need those to help upgrade a roster w/ a lot of holes.