Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)

[paulskinsfan]

First off let me say that I was away over the holiday weekend and Ive spent over an hour now trying to catch up on yet another great and, for me, unexpected beat down victory! I for one never thought the Skins could run the table, and I know they haven't yet, but their play over the past 4 weeks has surprised the hell out of me so God Bless you Joe Gibbs! I still think we need a GM, but no one can criticize your second season here. For me, the victories over the Cowboys made the entire season worthwhile, even if we don't make the playoffs, this year has brought back some pride to the burgundy and gold, so again thank you Joe.

NOW, here's the thing, Brunnell is hurt, he may play but he's hurt and Im worried. We all remember how horrible Brunnell was last year when he had a bad hamstring, if his legs are hurt he won't have the zip on his balls and he won't be accurate, and honestly, an inaccurate weak throwing Brunnell will get us buried. Sooooo, I say play Ramsey. If Ramsey plays well we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him in the offseason. A good outing for Ramsey helps this team IMMENSELY in the offseason. On the other hand, if Brunnell starts and its obvious that he reverts to last year's form then its going to be 8 men in the box to stop Portis, again, just like last year.

[MTK]

He's played with injuries all year, calf, hand, etc.

His knee isn't even that bad, I'm sure he'll be fine if he plays.

If you're waiting for Brunell of last year to show up, keep waiting cause it ain't gonna happen.

[gibbsisgod]

i think we can beat the eagles with ramsey starting. even if brunell is healthy i think gibbs should sit him for a week to get all rested up for our championship run.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He's played with injuries all year, calf, hand, etc.

His knee isn't even that bad, I'm sure he'll be fine if he plays.

If you're waiting for Brunell of last year to show up, keep waiting cause it ain't gonna happen.

You're right, he has played with injuries. But wasn't the hand injury on his non-throwing hand? The calf injury seemed really minor too, not like a knee injury. It just seems like his mobility and his ability to step into his throws may be limited, but I hope not.

[44deisel44]

Doesn't matter who starts. Our D will EAT philly alive!!!! As far as Ramsey playing well....been there done that.... i for 1 don't want our playoff hopes riding on a QB that has 3.5 quarters of experience this yr!!!!!!! Forget about what we MAY get 4 him. I think he is gone and unless he takes us through playoffs we wont get much 4 him.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

...NOW, here's the thing, Brunnell is hurt, he may play but he's hurt and Im worried. We all remember how horrible Brunnell was last year when he had a bad hamstring, if his legs are hurt he won't have the zip on his balls and he won't be accurate, and honestly, an inaccurate weak throwing Brunnell will get us buried. Sooooo, I say play Ramsey. If Ramsey plays well we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him in the offseason. A good outing for Ramsey helps this team IMMENSELY in the offseason. On the other hand, if Brunnell starts and its obvious that he reverts to last year's form then its going to be 8 men in the box to stop Portis, again, just like last year.

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Rock on! But if Mark can't move around Ramsey should be able to take care of things. Gibbs is hoping Mark is up to start....

[wheeler]

the skins will start ramsey if brunell's leg is a compound fracture break ..other -wise brunell will be the Q B to take us to the playoffs

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

I think that has been the mentality of skins fans for the past decade. Since we haven't had much to play for in the past, we'd play for draft picks and offseason moves. This year, we're finally playing for the post season. You're right...you put the guys in that gotcha to this point.

[dmek25]

i dont give a damn who plays qback,as long as we get the win

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

First off let me say that I was away over the holiday weekend and Ive spent over an hour now trying to catch up on yet another great and, for me, unexpected beat down victory! I for one never thought the Skins could run the table, and I know they haven't yet, but their play over the past 4 weeks has surprised the hell out of me so God Bless you Joe Gibbs! I still think we need a GM, but no one can criticize your second season here. For me, the victories over the Cowboys made the entire season worthwhile, even if we don't make the playoffs, this year has brought back some pride to the burgundy and gold, so again thank you Joe.

NOW, here's the thing, Brunnell is hurt, he may play but he's hurt and Im worried. We all remember how horrible Brunnell was last year when he had a bad hamstring, if his legs are hurt he won't have the zip on his balls and he won't be accurate, and honestly, an inaccurate weak throwing Brunnell will get us buried. Sooooo, I say play Ramsey. If Ramsey plays well we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him in the offseason. A good outing for Ramsey helps this team IMMENSELY in the offseason. On the other hand, if Brunnell starts and its obvious that he reverts to last year's form then its going to be 8 men in the box to stop Portis, again, just like last year.

Very good.i agree..except everyone wants to keep brunell...he's old ramsey has alot of good years and knows the system...i say keep him let mark go

[saskin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Amen!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

I agree 100%. Throughout his career Brunell has played through such injuries, and we thought he was done because of age and injury, but we were all proved wrong this year. Playoffs are number one right now, not the offseason. And if Ramsey starts, I know Coach Gibbs will run much more, than if Brunell starts, simply because Ramsey has not performed well under pressure, or passing in general. Yea he did good last game, but he passed less 10 times. In 4 quarters of game, he will need to take many more attempts. We still do not know how Ramsey will play in a full game, and why go away from a guy that has been pulling it out with injury? If Ramsey starts, then coach will run more, to prevent potential mistakes. Then the Eagles will put 8 in the box, which will make running much harder. Then Ramsey will be forced to pass. Do I have faith in Ramsey, yes; but I would not go away from Brunell if he well enough to play, simply because of what he has done. The throwaways, the extra steps, the experience that comes with Brunell, is what even has us in this position right now.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Very good.i agree..except everyone wants to keep brunell...he's old ramsey has alot of good years and knows the system...i say keep him let mark go

You can pretty much count on Brunell being back next year, whether we collectively like that or not. Unless he get's seriously injured somewhere between now and training camp or Jason Campbell transforms into a starting QB overnight, I would bet on Mark Brunell being the starting QB for '06.

As far as Ramsey goes, while I'm pretty sure the Redskins may trade him, it's not a given. If Joe Gibbs had his druthers (sp), I think he would even bring Patrick back next year to back up Brunell and Campbell as third. That's in a perfect world, of course.

Given the currenet QB situation around the league, I would have to think we could get at least a second round pick for Ramsey.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Very good.i agree..except everyone wants to keep brunell...he's old ramsey has alot of good years and knows the system...i say keep him let mark go

Why get rid of Brunell? He's proven that he can still play. Not to mention that he has helped us in getting to this point of making the playoffs. You always need a good veteran qb on your team whether he starts or not. I'd rather assume keep both guys if I could - at least for one more year. However, getting rid of Brunell just because he is in his mid thirties would be a dumb move. Heck, John Elway didn't win his two Super Bowls until he was in his late 30's.