Lavar has been misused...

[jordanz301]

and another thing saying hwo arrington sucks b/c of his knee this and that....go look at the s005 defense plays and go see some of arrigntons plays then come and say what you think.......b/c he made some big plays.....

[steveo395]

arrington is so overpaid and overrated

why didn't he just read his contract before he signed it instead of being a moron and then complaining about it later

[BigSKINBauer]

lavar will be a pro bowler again with the skins or without them. Lavar still is the man.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

How about running a 3-4 so Lavar can be more freely. LOL

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

How about running a 3-4 so Lavar can be more freely.

[jordanz301]

point well taken shneed......VERY well taken.........i agree with you a hundred percent, but its the times when he IS healthy that id love to see hiim whereing bergundy and gold..........i just dont want to see him leave and get back to the pro bowl after he leaves......kinda like trotter.......if hes gnna make 10 tackles a game and he doesnt know anything thats going on, then so be it...... i dont care if hes dumb as a long as long as he produces bt like shneed said hed have to be healthy for that..

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jordanz301

point well taken shneed......VERY well taken.........i agree with you a hundred percent, but its the times when he IS healthy that id love to see hiim whereing bergundy and gold..........i just dont want to see him leave and get back to the pro bowl after he leaves......kinda like trotter.......if hes gnna make 10 tackles a game and he doesnt know anything thats going on, then so be it...... i dont care if hes dumb as a long as long as he produces bt like shneed said hed have to be healthy for that..

And in the end the decision on what to do with him will be entirely driven by his cap figures, which are entirely dependent upon the CBA negotiations. He might be a Skin next year and I will root for him if he is. I just think he's way overrated.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And in the end the decision on what to do with him will be entirely driven by his cap figures, which are entirely dependent upon the CBA negotiations. He might be a Skin next year and I will root for him if he is. I just think he's way overrated.

I think it will be hard for the coaches to keep Lavar. They have proved over the last two years that they can play great defense without him. The "imagine if..." argument is not strong enough to overcome his cap number. I know its dependent on the CBA extension, and dead cap, bla bla bla. I'd say its 90% he's gone.

(The "imagine if..." argument: "imagine if Lavar had been playing too! GW's defense would have had 16 shutouts")

[jordanz301]

i jst dont wnna see him leaave, and go be a big hit somewhere else.....like pierce i know you saw that one fumble recovery play he made this yr like a thousand times.......i jst dont want the same to happen......and i jst BOUGHT A 300 DOLLOR JERSEY!

[That Guy]

pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

pierce played well, but marshall played just as well and didn't get hurt (like AP). It doesn't matter if they're a hit somewhere else, it only matters if the skins can replace them adequately.

If lavar redoes his deal he probably stays... taking a 12mill hit this year or next is insane... he's a crapload of money either way and i think danny screwed up on his contract. I don't think the skins would miss him much ssince he hasn't really played, but we'll need someone (anyone) better than holdman to take over. It'd suck to pay arrington 7+mill to be an average LB, but it might happen cause the cost of letting him go AND paying his replacement would be too much.

We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

We have painted ouselves into a corner with Lavar, obviously our big spending is finally coming home to roost, Lavar, Brunell, are 2 of the biggest wastes of money we have. I believe we should cut ties with him, not only can we replace him with a rookie, but we could upgrade, I am absolutly comfortable with Clemons full time if he returns healthy.

We have to get the cap under control, although I feel we are prepared to take the next step to legitamate SB contender, our cap this year may not allow it, this may be a year that we go with Campbell from day 1, and send Brunell packing, I say we turn Campbell loose and see what we have, we can then have our cap under control for the following season, Lavar is a waste, and Brunell is not the future, time to make some tough cuts for the good of our future.

its nice that you think clemons is ready to go... he's been decent on rushing the passer, but i haven't seen him in coverage etc at all. and what happens if he gets hurt? you need a reserve and without lavar we'd need to get somebody who isn't worthless.

[70Chip]

The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

[Dirtbag59]

Is anyone else hoping for no salary cap as much as I am?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The only thing we know about C Clemons is that he is a decent pass rusher off the edge. It would be ridiculous to assume he is an every down player. If he is, I would have liked to have seen him in the game instead of Holdman.

I understand that people feel a loyalty to Lavar because he was making plays and putting forth effort when it seemed that no one else was. I like Lavar as well. The thing is, though, the way the financial aspects of the game are structured, you can't give your heart and soul to any individual player. Darrell Green was the last Redskin I felt any attachment to, and he was the only one for many years. If he he had not played for so long, the last one would have retired around '94 (Monte) or '95 (Monk). Maybe its age, but I just can't get worked up about anyone getting the axe unless I think its a dumb football decision which is not the case here. Its not personal with Lavar. Its not personal with Patrick. It won't be personal the next time with the next guy. (Brunell? Wynn?) So, I'll listen to someone make a case on the football merits, but sentimentality will not persuade me anymore.

Well we don't have to assume anything with Lavar, we know he's not an everydown LB, infact if williams has his way he wont be playing any downs, Clemons has showed steady progress, he has also shown he can get after the QB better than Lavar, there is a reason Lavar was on the bench most of the year and I am tired of hearing the injury excuse he didn't have major reconstruction on his knee, he's just a lowsey LB, who happens to have a big personality.