70Chip Presents the #56Fanatic "Does LaVar Deserve Special Treament" Poll

[That Guy]

"Who cares about what he makes...he must of done something right to recieve the contract in the first place. As I stated before...it's not our place as fans to worry about what a player makes and rather he deserves it or not. If he is "overpaid", consider it compensation for all the BS that everyone has been putting him through."

everyone should care because what he makes and whether he lives up to his contract directly affects the competitiveness of the team. like i said, no cba and HIS contract forces a mass release of players.

[Riggo44]

Lavar is my favorite Skin. But he should be dealt with like anyone else on the team. If Arrington reworks his contract He could be back next year. But I must say I would be happily surprised if he does.

[jdlea]

I voted yes just to piss everyone else off...lol.

But seriously, does he deserve "special" treatment? No. I think he should be treated just like any other Redskin...that means he's definitely gone. Big Deal + Any drop in production = A ticket out of Washington. That's how Snyder rolls.

What's the worst part about it is that everyone here turns on those players immediately after they get cut, like it's their fault. Did they make Snyder give them the huge money? No. But it'll happen with Portis and Taylor and Griffin and almost happened with Samuels and will probably happen with Washington and Jansen at some point.

That's what we do here. Not to put it all on Washington, that's today's NFL, but we're some of the worst offenders, IMO.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by jdlea

What's the worst part about it is that everyone here turns on those players immediately after they get cut, like it's their fault...
That's what we do here.

I dont remember people feeling that way when Thrash went to the Eagles, or when Trent Green was sent packing. The difference here is simply that Lavar has not earned his paycheck for two years and the Skins have to deal with the salary cap. People tend to stand behind the guys that work thier ass off, keep thier mouth shut, and don't complain about thier paycheck (i.e those two guys I mentioned above). Lavar, for all his talent, is guilt of breaking at least two of these three football fan rules.

Again, as mentioned, these things are why fans have different opinions about the Lavar release and why your statement about the fans turning on Lavar after his release my become true. I just believe that if it does, it is his fault.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

I dont remember people feeling that way when Thrash went to the Eagles, or when Trent Green was sent packing. The difference here is simply that Lavar has not earned his paycheck for two years and the Skins have to deal with the salary cap. People tend to stand behind the guys that work thier ass off, keep thier mouth shut, and don't complain about thier paycheck (i.e those two guys I mentioned above). Lavar, for all his talent, is guilt of breaking at least two of these three football fan rules.

Again, as mentioned, these things are why fans have different opinions about the Lavar release and why your statement about the fans turning on Lavar after his release my become true. I just believe that if it does, it is his fault.

I didn't care at all when Thrash left becaue he had half of a decent season. And I know I wasn't a member of this site, if it existed, when Trent Green left. Anyway, what about Stephen Davis or Champ or the way a lot of fans were on board with Brad Johson getting pushed out the door? What about all the negativity toward Smoot and Pierce? It started to happen last offseason before Samuels got his new deal. That's pretty much where LaVar is right now. All of a sudden he sucks because he makes a lot of money and if he doesn't restructure than he's not a team player. That's pretty retarded.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I didn't care at all when Thrash left becaue he had half of a decent season. And I know I wasn't a member of this site, if it existed, when Trent Green left. Anyway, what about Stephen Davis or Champ or the way a lot of fans were on board with Brad Johson getting pushed out the door? What about all the negativity toward Smoot and Pierce? It started to happen last offseason before Samuels got his new deal. That's pretty much where LaVar is right now. All of a sudden he sucks because he makes a lot of money and if he doesn't restructure than he's not a team player. That's pretty retarded.

Did you miss the point? The point was that players who are wrapped up in the money (i.e. 6.5 million) are not going to stay on the fans top priority list... just like Smoot, Pierce, Champ. If you leave for or complain about money, expect the cold shoulder from the fan base. The players that are just playing as hard as they can will get more support.

You can call Dan Snyder a lot of things, but tight-wad isn't one of them.

Lavar doesn't suck. In fact, I think he may be ready to have his best season if he stays.

For a lot of fans, the real question is can we afford him at his salary, at the expense of the team as a whole, when we know the defense can excel without him.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I didn't care at all when Thrash left becaue he had half of a decent season. And I know I wasn't a member of this site, if it existed, when Trent Green left. Anyway, what about Stephen Davis or Champ or the way a lot of fans were on board with Brad Johson getting pushed out the door? What about all the negativity toward Smoot and Pierce? It started to happen last offseason before Samuels got his new deal. That's pretty much where LaVar is right now. All of a sudden he sucks because he makes a lot of money and if he doesn't restructure than he's not a team player. That's pretty retarded.

steven davis wanted 10mill a year to stay, who'd agree to that? his agent was being stupid. since then he had 1 good year and now looks like he's done and likely to be dropped for good.

I didn't really like champ while he was here, but i didn't hate him for leaving, he got 15million more to go to the broncos. And i'd trade for portis any day, there's no regret on my part there. I didn't think rogers or marshall would be as good as pierce and smoot this year... turns out they both were. Smoot again got more money, but pierce left cause he rather play in NY, so i was a bit miffed at that.

I don't think most people are saying that lavar sucks, his contract is just too big right now and someone's gotta go. That' the reality of the salary cap.

[dmek25]

im not sure special treatment is the right wording.after being a model employee on a team that he could have jumped ship,demanded a trade,talked bad about management.he said the right things,came to work every day ,and gave the skins 110% every time he stepped on the field.for a 2-4 year span lavar was the face of the skins.i voted yes(but im not sure how much free reign is involved)and the redskins do have to factor in his salary cap issues

[jermus22]

Although I like what Arrington brings to the field, Offiss made a very good point in bringing up that he never lived up to expectations. Many people said he'd be the next Lawrence Taylor (when Arrington first entered the league). Kind of the same way potentially great rookie safeties are compared to Ronnie Lott. Arrington has been solid, but his stats do not reflect Taylor type numbers. How many times did LA post 10+ sacks and 100+ tackles per season? LT had 7.5 sacks in 1991, when he was in the twilight of his career. Arrington only posted more than six sacks in a year just ONCE. Am I saying he's a bad player? NO. But he never did live up to the hype surrounding him.

[jermus22]

Something else. When Darrell Green had opportunities to go other places, he restructured his contract to stay in Washington, even though it meant taking a pay cut. Lots of people profess loyalty to their teams these days (remember Antonio Pierce and Fred Smoot?), but few back it up. If Arrington restructures, I'll believe him. But all the rumors about him retiring and wanting to leave have cast serious doubts in my mind regarding his future with the 'skins. I hope he can stay, but not at the unecessary expense of the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jermus22

Although I like what Arrington brings to the field, Offiss made a very good point in bringing up that he never lived up to expectations. Many people said he'd be the next Lawrence Taylor (when Arrington first entered the league). Kind of the same way potentially great rookie safeties are compared to Ronnie Lott. Arrington has been solid, but his stats do not reflect Taylor type numbers. How many times did LA post 10+ sacks and 100+ tackles per season? LT had 7.5 sacks in 1991, when he was in the twilight of his career. Arrington only posted more than six sacks in a year just ONCE. Am I saying he's a bad player? NO. But he never did live up to the hype surrounding him.

While I agree he hasn't lived up to the hype I think it's a little unfair.

His hype coming out of college was unreal. The next LT? Tell me that's not unfair expectations. Nobody gave him the chance to become the next LaVar... but then again by taking the #56 LaVar didn't help the situation and it only fueled the hype even further.

I do think his career is far from over and he still has time to get back on track and re-establish himself as one of the more exciting defenders in the game.

It's just a question whether he'll have the chance to do that in a Redskins uniform or not.

[FRPLG]

I say yes. I am a big fan of loyalty and doing the right thing by your employees. Treating him with a little extra respect goes a long way towards showing your other players that you care about them and want them to be happy which I think in turn helps you keep guys at lower costs and makes for an overall happier and more productive group. I don't think you make decisions that really hurt your team in deference to offering this extra respect but I think little (more manageable) concessions along they way would have been the best way to handle him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'm one of the one's who voted NO, BUT do you think that LaVar should give the REDSKINS special treatment when it comes to restructuring his contract to help out the team?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm one of the one's who voted NO, BUT do you think that LaVar should give the REDSKINS special treatment when it comes to restructuring his contract to help out the team?

Well, he's the one saying how much he loves it here and how he wants to be here for the rest of his career. Let's see if he puts his money where his mouth is.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm one of the one's who voted NO, BUT do you think that LaVar should give the REDSKINS special treatment when it comes to restructuring his contract to help out the team?

I wanna know how many times a Redskin should have to restructure his contract? wtf? Why do they even give them out if they have no intention of living up to them...ever?!