Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey

[dblanch66]

A sixth round pick is a joke for a 1st round pick with NFL playing experience. Keep him on the roster for as long as possible and let the other teams who need QB's sweat it out. If the CBA goes thru this week, we will not be in as dire a cap situation as many think. If we get a measley 6th rounder and PR goes on the succeed for another team, we are gonna be steamed. PATIENCE!!!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

A sixth round pick is a joke for a 1st round pick with NFL playing experience. Keep him on the roster for as long as possible and let the other teams who need QB's sweat it out. If the CBA goes thru this week, we will not be in as dire a cap situation as many think. If we get a measley 6th rounder and PR goes on the succeed for another team, we are gonna be steamed. PATIENCE!!!

What is a joke is the way people bitch and moan about Ramsey and how he always throws picks, he isn't going to lead us to the big game, he cant win against good teams, holds the ball to long, doesn't throw it away enough blah, blah blah. Then when we go and trade him or attempt to, those same people say hes worth a 2nd through 4th round pick. come on people. we are lucky to get a 6th rounder, especially for a player going into his 5th season and has statistically played 1 full season. 10-14 as a starter, around 50% or so completion percentage and around 70 QB rating. What makes you think he is worth more than a sixth, because we drafted him in the first, so what. What did san diego get when they traded leaf to the cowboys. I doubt it was anything about a 4th.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

What is a joke is the way people bitch and moan about Ramsey and how he always throws picks, he isn't going to lead us to the big game, he cant win against good teams, holds the ball to long, doesn't throw it away enough blah, blah blah. Then when we go and trade him or attempt to, those same people say hes worth a 2nd through 4th round pick. come on people. we are lucky to get a 6th rounder, especially for a player going into his 5th season and has statistically played 1 full season. 10-14 as a starter, around 50% or so completion percentage and around 70 QB rating. What makes you think he is worth more than a sixth, because we drafted him in the first, so what. What did san diego get when they traded leaf to the cowboys. I doubt it was anything about a 4th.

Tell me you didn't just compare Patrick Ramsey to Ryan Leaf!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Tell me you didn't just compare Patrick Ramsey to Ryan Leaf!

you people take words and run with them dont you. I dont even have to answer that question do I.

The situation, not the player. 1st round pick who didn't pan out w/ the team that drafted them. Player that everyone thought or thinks will improve w/ a change of scenery. Player that has the arm to succeed.
come on, do you think I would compare careers, not even close

[celts32]

Ramsey is not worth a 3rd in a year where there is suddenly a surplus of available starting QB's on the market. This is horrible timing for the redskins. How can they expect a 3rd for Ramsey when Brees, Kitna & Griese are available for nothing and Culpepper & Simms could be available in trade.

The best opportunity for the skins to get value is to drag it out and see who still needs a QB after the bigger names have settled. Waiting depends on the cap situation though....they may not have that luxury.

[jdlea]

The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

[#56fanatic]

[QUOTE=That Guy]votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

[/QUOTE

I do agree with you there. not a lot of confidence building in those actions!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by That Guy

votes of confidence like immediately giving a gigantic contract (and a draft pick) to another team for brunell. waiting forever to bench brunell. naming ramsey the starter and immediately drafting a 1st round QB. letting ramsey play 10minutes and benching him again for the year. then spending the offseason talking up campbell and how its time for him to step up now.

publicly, gibbs's actions have thrashed him in about every way possible

Yeah, so no one ever said "we don't like Patrick" but they've made it plenty obvious over the last 2 years. You just keep adding quarterbacks who are clearly there to replace him. Oh, I mean "compete" with him. The writing has been on the wall since Brunell got his huge contract. It was obvious then that Patrick wasn't going to be the starter. The Redskins have made it obvious they don't like/want/trust Patrick since Joe got there. So because they didn't publicly tear him down that means that they didn't trash him? Come on.

I'm not going to sit back and act like it's all Gibbs's fault. Patrick could have played so well that it was undeniable that you leave him in. Howevever, in 04 Brunell made it undeniable that he couldn't play and he got like 10 weeks to suck before he got yanked. Ramsey got one half where he had 2 turnovers and then it was over for him. He really hasn't been given much of a shot since Gibbs got here, and that's fine, I just think they should let him move on.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.

OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

OK Matty, now I have heard everything!

Are you trying to make a case that Gibbs hasen't made this guy look as if he doesn't even know what a football looks like? Gibbs has treated him like a red headed step child, and torn him apart with his actions from day 1, while signing his praises when it doesn't count. Kind of like when we take an ass kicking and he lets everyone know how we fought our guts out, who are we kidding?


Bottom line, Ramsey is far more valuable than anything a 6th rd pick could bring back, especially the way we draft in the later rounds.

Has Gibbs said anything about him publicly that could be classified as "trashing" him?

That's all I was saying.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by celts32

Ramsey is not worth a 3rd in a year where there is suddenly a surplus of available starting QB's on the market. This is horrible timing for the redskins. How can they expect a 3rd for Ramsey when Brees, Kitna & Griese are available for nothing and Culpepper & Simms could be available in trade.

There are seven or eight teams badly in need of QB help. To garner a three, it only takes a couple of GMs with a higher opinion on Ramsey than yours (which obviously isn't high given that list of damaged goods and marginally competant list of "starting QBs" you offered).

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Huddle

There are seven or eight teams badly in need of QB help. To garner a three, it only takes a couple of GMs with a higher opinion on Ramsey than yours (which obviously isn't high given that list of damaged goods and marginally competant list of "starting QBs" you offered).

If the skins get a 3 for Patrick I will eat my hat.

I would take Drew Brees as the Redskins starting QB right now. He is young and proven...and while we all hope Jason Campbel is good we just don't know. One injury makes Brees damaged goods? Football players get injured. pennington is damaged goods becasue he had the same injury twice in a row. Brees had one injury like most players in the NFL do eventually. if you don't think he has value then just wait and see how long those damaged goods last on the free agency market. I realize it's not going to happen with Brees in DC...the skins are going to groom Campbel but trashing more accomplished players does not improve Ramsey's value. Ramsey is worth what they can get and if that's only a #6 then that's his worth.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by celts32

If the skins get a 3 for Patrick I will eat my hat.

I would take Drew Brees as the Redskins starting QB right now. He is young and proven...and while we all hope Jason Campbel is good we just don't know. One injury makes Brees damaged goods? Football players get injured. pennington is damaged goods becasue he had the same injury twice in a row. Brees had one injury like most players in the NFL do eventually. if you don't think he has value then just wait and see how long those damaged goods last on the free agency market. I realize it's not going to happen with Brees in DC...the skins are going to groom Campbel but trashing more accomplished players does not improve Ramsey's value. Ramsey is worth what they can get and if that's only a #6 then that's his worth.

brees and culpepper are probably signing with their current teams. if the cba passes, griese will probably continue as a buc, and no one is going to take simms for a 1st and a 3rd (it'd only make sense for teams with low first round picks, and they tend not to have such dire QB problems to need an average QB so desperately).

It's actually possible ramsey could be the shortlist this year. Right now no one wants to do anything till they figure out about the CBA and the new cap though.