Do you really wanna see anymore todd collins?

[MTK]

NFL.com - Washington Redskins Team Stats

Collins was actually our highest rated QB this preseason. Granted that's not saying much, but take it for what it's worth. He's the only one that threw a TD pass, and his completion % was 59.3.

And yet we have a 13 page thread bashing him silly.

[SmootSmack]

I think we'll see Collins back up Brunell. So he'll come in during a game. But if it's a case where Brunell can't start a game then I see them working on JC during the week so he can start the game. I don't see Collins actually starting any games

[MTK]

Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by a career 75.0 rating.

You're right, the stats don't lie. Career completion % of 55.7. 24 games started in 4 years. Yep, all adds up to a mediocre QB to me.

Ramsey is NOT anything special. Enough with the excuses. Spurrier ruined him, Gibbs screwed him, he wasn't going to beat out Pennington, etc.

If he was a true NFL caliber starting QB, he wouldn't be riding the pine YET AGAIN.

[RiggoRules]

[quote=Mattyk72;210772]Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by a career 75.0 rating.

You're right, the stats don't lie. Career completion % of 55.7. 24 games started in 4 years. Yep, all adds up to a mediocre QB to me.

[quote]

This NYT article says that when it comes to QBs, statistics lie like a politician:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/sp...l/27score.html

Of course, the NYT lies about all kinds of stuff all the time.

While I am no Ramsey fan, I'd take PR over TC in a New York Minute.

It isn't the stats, it is what I see on the field.

Ramsey has at least been good enough to start in this league. I really think the TC signing is the biggest off season screw up this year.

That being said, if Gibbs and Saunders are convinced he gives the team the best chance not to lose, I have to acknowledge that they know what they are doing and have their reasons -- even if I don't see it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by a career 75.0 rating.

You're right, the stats don't lie. Career completion % of 55.7. 24 games started in 4 years. Yep, all adds up to a mediocre QB to me.

Ramsey is NOT anything special. Enough with the excuses. Spurrier ruined him, Gibbs screwed him, he wasn't going to beat out Pennington, etc.

If he was a true NFL caliber starting QB, he wouldn't be riding the pine YET AGAIN.

two points:

1. pennington is far better than collins, so that arguement is a complete joke.

2. collins is a career 70.4 rating QB, so technically, by your own arguement, ramsey is better. collins also has started 17 games in 11 years, which is far less than 24 in 4.

saying collins is better than ramsey isn't a very good arguement, especially if you want to rely on stats.


and pulling the coach knows best isn't really valid either. ramsey wanted out and when saunders was hired, it wasn't really up to him to keep ramsey. saunders wanted collins because he knew him well. He CLEARLY wasn't hired on talent, cause their were much better QBs on the market (griese, collins, etc etc etc). he also may have also wanted collins to screw herm edwards and brain drain the chiefs a bit (they had to scramble to get huard (sp?) resigned afterwards).

Your arguement also keeps stating that ramsey is a backup and not starter quality, but in a comparision with collins, that's completely moot as todd is most definately not someone ANYONE would want starting.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

two points:

1. pennington is far better than collins, so that arguement is a complete joke.

2. collins is a career 70.4 rating QB, so technically, by your own arguement, ramsey is better. collins also has started 17 games in 11 years, which is far less than 24 in 4.

saying collins is better than ramsey isn't a very good arguement, especially if you want to rely on stats.


and pulling the coach knows best isn't really valid either. ramsey wanted out and when saunders was hired, it wasn't really up to him to keep ramsey. saunders wanted collins because he knew him well. He CLEARLY wasn't hired on talent, cause their were much better QBs on the market (griese, collins, etc etc etc). he also may have also wanted collins to screw herm edwards and brain drain the chiefs a bit (they had to scramble to get huard (sp?) resigned afterwards).

Your arguement also keeps stating that ramsey is a backup and not starter quality, but in a comparision with collins, that's completely moot as todd is most definately not someone ANYONE would want starting.

You excluded the most critical point of my argument.

In this system I would take Collins over Ramsey.

Thank you and good night.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You excluded the most critical point of my argument.

In this system I would take Collins over Ramsey.

Thank you and good night.

I think you missed my point :P

I was just replying to all the "ramsey is worse than terrible" stuff with the stats highlights you decided to pull out. I never said your opinion on who you rather have was wrong, just that some of your points didn't really mesh as far as overall productivity (starts, rating, yards, etc etc).

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by That Guy

two points:

1. pennington is far better than collins, so that arguement is a complete joke.

2. collins is a career 70.4 rating QB, so technically, by your own arguement, ramsey is better. collins also has started 17 games in 11 years, which is far less than 24 in 4.

saying collins is better than ramsey isn't a very good arguement, especially if you want to rely on stats.


and pulling the coach knows best isn't really valid either. ramsey wanted out and when saunders was hired, it wasn't really up to him to keep ramsey. saunders wanted collins because he knew him well. He CLEARLY wasn't hired on talent, cause their were much better QBs on the market (griese, collins, etc etc etc). he also may have also wanted collins to screw herm edwards and brain drain the chiefs a bit (they had to scramble to get huard (sp?) resigned afterwards).

Your arguement also keeps stating that ramsey is a backup and not starter quality, but in a comparision with collins, that's completely moot as todd is most definately not someone ANYONE would want starting.

good point. alas someone finally sees my point of view on the collins/ramsey debate that i have seem to have started.

[SmootSmack]

I can't believe we're talking about Patrick Ramsey yet again. It's just mind boggling. He must have compromising pictures of half the people on this site.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I can't believe we're talking about Patrick Ramsey yet again. It's just mind boggling. He must have compromising pictures of half the people on this site.

Allright. Its time for me to let this go i guess. It time for all of us redskin fans to unite and support our drive to the superbowl. Time for our braves to go on the warpath.

[mike340]

Collins over Ramsey.

Sacks are drive killers, and nobody in the league waits for his "hug" more than Ramsey. It doesn't even show in the QB rating!

[SmootSmack]

I worry that Archuleta will be the biggest screw up signing, perhaps in the whole league.

I think Williams is going to have to get very creative to mask Arch's coverage deficiencies

I dont expect TC to play, so we won't have to worry about his performance on the field, or lack thereof

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I worry that Archuleta will be the biggest screw up signing, perhaps in the whole league.

I think Williams is going to have to get very creative to mask Arch's coverage deficiencies

I dont expect TC to play, so we won't have to worry about his performance on the field, or lack thereof

That's worried me since day one. He's going to be the more expensive Matt Bowen. A guy who could ONLY blitz.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I agree with you TAFKAS. My buddies and I were commenting on him the entire game last night, we noticed that he could have probably prevented both TDs but didn't (I guess you could say that about a lot of guys though). Also, did you notice that he stayed in even after the starting D was off the field. The coaches must think he needs more work too.

[dmek25]

can anyone tell me what the problem the skins front office had with ryan clark? with clark and taylor together , i thought they were one of the better tandems in the entire league