Problems at the core

MTK · 01-01-2007, 03:57 AM

Great read and some interesting insight on Lloyd. By reading this you really have to believe he's not coming back.

Problems at the Core - washingtonpost.com

That Guy · 01-01-2007, 05:06 AM

pretty damning. we can't afford to pay 8$mill to release lloyd and 8$mill to release archuleta though :/.

djnemo65 · 01-01-2007, 07:51 AM

at this point I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather keep Archuletta. Lloyd is a cancer in the clubhouse, whereas Archuletta is more like Chicken Pox or something.

JoeRedskin · 01-01-2007, 08:27 AM

<Sigh> I hope there is SOME good news at the end of this tunnel, but, other than Campbell, I don't know what it could be.

It's going to be a long off-season.

dmek25 · 01-01-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

pretty damning. we can't afford to pay 8$mill to release Lloyd and 8$mill to release archuleta though :/.

welcome back. and i think Lloyd can make some plays if given the opportunity. A.A. just plain stinks

GoSkins! · 01-01-2007, 09:28 AM

I think that they have no choice but to give Llyod 1 more year. They cut AA this year and Llyod next year if he continues being an idiot.

The good news is that the defense has no where to go but up and we might not have enough money to sign to many free agents. Sign one or two defensive starters, draft one, and then try to find some low cost, quality depth.

In Gibbs defense, it looks lke the skins may have done a good job finding low cost, quality depth on the o-line. The times we did see subs at center and tackle, they did fine.

12thMan · 01-01-2007, 11:24 AM

It's really unfortunate the way Lloyd responded to Saunders....talk to the quarterback!? What a bitch, seriously! His ass needs to go, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If Gibbs wants to continue to defend his decision making process, then so be it. But if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Twilbert07 · 01-01-2007, 11:27 AM

Wow. Last year's moves not only hurt this season, they hurt next season because of the draft picks we gave up. I hope we keep our No. 1 pick this year - which will be the 6th overall.

12thMan · 01-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Wow. Last year's moves not only hurt this season, they hurt next season because of the draft picks we gave up. I hope we keep our No. 1 pick this year - which will be the 6th overall.

Seriously, Twilbert...and I really hate to be so cynical, what are the chances of this first round pick, whomever his is, making an impact on the team?

Chances are if he's a defensive player, GW will string him along throughout the season until the sixth or seventh game and say he's learning the system. Just business as usual with the Redskins.

SmootSmack · 01-01-2007, 11:34 AM

Good read. To the Duckett issue though, it's hard to argue with Gibbs' concern about Betts staying healthy and Rock holding on to the ball.. That said though, I think he may have forgotten to consider Sellers.

Pocket$ $traight · 01-01-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Seriously, Twilbert...and I really hate to be so cynical, what are the chances of this first round pick, whomever his is, making an impact on the team?

Chances are if he's a defensive player, GW will string him along throughout the season until the sixth or seventh game and say he's learning the system. Just business as usual with the Redskins.

They do pretty well with the top picks (because these are usually no brainers).

Rogers and Taylor played pretty early for Williams. I am guessing that they pick the best defensive lineman available and if the player struggles to pick up the defense for whatever reason you can still turn them loose on passing downs.

This defense was a joke. They will find a spot for a #5 pick.

12thMan · 01-01-2007, 12:04 PM

Here's another interesting comparison between the TE we signed and the one we let go.

Christian Fauria 2 catches for 17 yds. 8.1 yd avg. 0 tds.

Robert Royal 23 catches for 233 yds. 10.1 yd. avg. 3 tds.

12thMan · 01-01-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

They do pretty well with the top picks (because these are usually no brainers).

Rogers and Taylor played pretty early for Williams. I am guessing that they pick the best defensive lineman available and if the player struggles to pick up the defense for whatever reason you can still turn them loose on passing downs.

This defense was a joke. They will find a spot for a #5 pick.

Like I said, I was being a bit cynical and bitter about things. I hope we can get our hands on DE from Michigan.

Keep your eye on him during the Rose Bowl.

redsk1 · 01-01-2007, 12:21 PM

Ouch. This might not be a quick fix here guys. Get ready though this will be an interesting offseason.

We've all said it before, the FO does things that doesn't exactly seem "fair" to players of the skins. It's unfortunate, but hopefully Gibbs and the FO have learned a little from our mistakes.

Longtimefan · 01-01-2007, 03:17 PM

I think the article further illustrates just how important is is for us to have a skilled personnel manager, GM (if you will) to evaluate, and choose players. A lengthly article, and throughtout I get the feeling that's the most important point trying to be made.

01-01-2007, 03:57 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Problems at the core Great read and some interesting insight on Lloyd. By reading this you really have to believe he's not coming back. Problems at the Core - washingtonpost.com __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-01-2007, 05:06 AM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Problems at the core pretty damning. we can't afford to pay 8$mill to release lloyd and 8$mill to release archuleta though :/.

01-01-2007, 07:51 AM	#3
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Problems at the core at this point I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather keep Archuletta. Lloyd is a cancer in the clubhouse, whereas Archuletta is more like Chicken Pox or something.

01-01-2007, 08:27 AM	#4
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Problems at the core <Sigh> I hope there is SOME good news at the end of this tunnel, but, other than Campbell, I don't know what it could be. It's going to be a long off-season. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

01-01-2007, 09:28 AM	#6
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Problems at the core I think that they have no choice but to give Llyod 1 more year. They cut AA this year and Llyod next year if he continues being an idiot. The good news is that the defense has no where to go but up and we might not have enough money to sign to many free agents. Sign one or two defensive starters, draft one, and then try to find some low cost, quality depth. In Gibbs defense, it looks lke the skins may have done a good job finding low cost, quality depth on the o-line. The times we did see subs at center and tackle, they did fine. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

01-01-2007, 11:24 AM	#7
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Problems at the core It's really unfortunate the way Lloyd responded to Saunders....talk to the quarterback!? What a bitch, seriously! His ass needs to go, no ifs ands or buts about it. If Gibbs wants to continue to defend his decision making process, then so be it. But if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

01-01-2007, 11:27 AM	#8
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 59 Posts: 594	Re: Problems at the core Wow. Last year's moves not only hurt this season, they hurt next season because of the draft picks we gave up. I hope we keep our No. 1 pick this year - which will be the 6th overall. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

01-01-2007, 11:34 AM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Problems at the core Good read. To the Duckett issue though, it's hard to argue with Gibbs' concern about Betts staying healthy and Rock holding on to the ball.. That said though, I think he may have forgotten to consider Sellers. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-01-2007, 12:04 PM	#12
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Problems at the core Here's another interesting comparison between the TE we signed and the one we let go. Christian Fauria 2 catches for 17 yds. 8.1 yd avg. 0 tds. Robert Royal 23 catches for 233 yds. 10.1 yd. avg. 3 tds.

01-01-2007, 12:21 PM	#14
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Problems at the core Ouch. This might not be a quick fix here guys. Get ready though this will be an interesting offseason. We've all said it before, the FO does things that doesn't exactly seem "fair" to players of the skins. It's unfortunate, but hopefully Gibbs and the FO have learned a little from our mistakes.

01-01-2007, 03:17 PM	#15
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Problems at the core I think the article further illustrates just how important is is for us to have a skilled personnel manager, GM (if you will) to evaluate, and choose players. A lengthly article, and throughtout I get the feeling that's the most important point trying to be made. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

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