Vince Young - Offensive Rookie of the Year

[Crat92]

Easy decision to make, just like Troy Smith for the Heisman! VY is the truth, and he will only get better with time and a big time go to reciever!

[dall-assblows]

should of been colston. the man is sick on madden live.

[jsarno]

Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Wow, I guess I am the only one here that actually saw him for what he was as a QB, below average.
Jones-Drew / Bush should have been the 1-2 in no particular order, with Colston in the mix as well.
I'm just not buying this Vince Young bandwagon thing...in a couple years we will all be talking about how overrated he is, just Like how overrated Vick is. The kid needs to learn how to be a QB. 51.7% comp is HORRIBLE. 158.9 yards a game he threw for (not including the first 2 games of the season since he didn't play in significant action.)
His legs definitely helped them win games, over 500 yards...but not enough to warrent the award in my opinion.

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

Good, glad to see I am not the only one.

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Im with you on this I do not feel VY will flourish as you guys predict in the NFL. If you ask me special teams and defense won most of the titans games (think Giants game too, undeserving stats for VY). VY is the definition of overated, Colsten had a much more devestating impact then VY did, the man was sick.

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

Both players are going to be special. Without VY, the Titans are fighting for a top 3 pick. Remember, they lost their first three or four games with Volek starting. Their D and special teams definitely picked it up, but who else does Young have on that offense? Henry played pretty good, but he's not the reason the entire team has played over their heads. This guy wills his team to wins. If Chow stays, watch VY get better as a passer too.

Leinart suffered from what we call a lack of an offensive line. Is it a coincidence Edge had such a terrible year? You get an o-line and it opens up the running game, which in turn will keep d's honest for ML to throw. He's got the goods too... wait until he gets a real offensive coach too (Chow perhaps?).

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Are you SERIOUS? You can't be! Colston had a good year I'll give you that. Vince Young did more with less than any other rookie. You want the definition of overrated? Okay, how about Matt Lienart?! He had two pro bowl recievers and still couldn't get it done! Maybe if he would have done what VY did, Dennis Green would still have a job. Overrated please............stop hangin out with Merrill Hodge!

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

But I think Crat's argument is that Young did more with less.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Leinart:
56.6% comp, 2542 yards passing, 11 pass tds, 12 ints. (11 full games)
Young:
51.7% comp, 2199 yards passing, 12 pass tds, 13 ints. (14 full games)

Leinart beats Young by 70+ passing yards a game, about .15 passing td's per game, and about 5% better comp %. Young got the Offensive ROY, and Leinart wasn't even an after thought...so who is overrated again??????

I'm not saying Leinart is a stud, but if you're going to call someone overrated, get your stats in order. If you call Leinart overrated, you must call Young overrated.

I'm sorry I have to jump in here.
jsarno - the stats you carefully picked are just passing stats. In the NFL, QB's are allowed to run - one of Young's finest moment was a 39-yard TD run in overtime to beat Houston. As much as you do not like it, it is true Qb's can run.
Vince ran the ball 83 times for 553 yards and 7 TD's. He averaged 6.7 yards a carry. Had a grand total of 19 TD's as compared to Leinarts 13 total TD's and Bush's 8.
You might be of the school of QB's should only be drop back passers and that is the only way to rate them. But there is so much more than passing, like leadership, reading defenses, calling audibles and making the decision to take off and RUN THE BALL.
Young took over a 0-3 team that was being lead by a veteran superbowl QB Kerry Collins. Vince Young came in at a desperate time for a losing team at the most important postion QB and turned the team around. Lead them to 8 wins. Nuff said.

[Redskin]

You cant will a team to win i declare Hacks!Shananagins!WitchCraft!

But seriously VY ha d agame with a little over 100 total yard on offense, guess he willed the defense to pull that win out form their asses. Not a very good passer either, not like guys were dropping balls left and right.

[dmek25]

i think everyone is forgetting, in the nfl, the wins are the thing. young almost took a pretty sorry titans team into the playoffs. and lienart took the cardinals, well.....

[MTK]

I don't get the VY hate. He had good rookie season, better than anyone expected. He's fun to watch and he won games as a rookie. Pick apart his stats all you want, there's a lot more to his story than his numbers.

[12thMan]

I'm not sure exactly what this argument is all about but not one single rookie won games in the variety of ways that Vince Young did this year in clutch moments. Not one. Not Bush, not Hester, not Colston, not Leinert.

Also, Vince is the unquestioned leader and the face of the Titans. We probably could split hairs all day whether Bush or Colston or Leinert is more deserving, but the bottom line is Vince Young pulled his team within one win of going to the playoffs.

[dmek25]

what was the titans record when vince young took over? can anyone else around here name anyone on their offense? and how many players does new orleans have on offense that have either made the pro bowl, or were at least worthy of it? that new orleans team has plenty of proven nfl talent, how about the titans offense? and winning does factor into individual awards. thats why people like dan marino and dan fouts arent held in the same regards as people like joe montana or steve young