Civil Discussion About Religion

[Rexi]

Something that kind of amuses me is that people tend to think that we have to come from somewhere like a creator, or omnipotent being, a god. But "God" is just omnipotent and doesn't need a creator. What great sense that makes...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Rexi

Something that kind of amuses me is that people tend to think that we have to come from somewhere like a creator, or omnipotent being, a god. But "God" is just omnipotent and doesn't need a creator. What great sense that makes...

OK, using your logic, then what did start everything? Knowing that life always has a beginning, it makes sense that something "non human" started it all. So I can understand you wanting to poke holes in the theory that God started it all, but what would add value to this conversation is your theory in what actually did start it all.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I was planning on checking it out, but I didn't want to do it from the office. I didn't have enough time in my workday to devote to it.

I looked over your system and did what you said. I started with 5000. I put 5 on 2nd 12, 5 on 3rd 12, 5 on red, and 5 on odd. I repeated this exact betting pattern for 8 straight rolls. I was exactly breakeven after those 8 rolls. Then I began betting patterns like you said. The board shows the last 9 numbers to come up. So whenever I saw 6 or more blacks on the board, I doubled my money on black. Did the same thing when I saw 6 evens, 6 odds, or 6 reds. If I didn't see more than 6 of anything in the betting history, I went back to your original betting configuration.

After 40 rolls, I finished down 95 dollars. Reason? The wheel hit 00 or 0 three separate times, causing me to lose 25 on each one. So I was basically treading water aside from those hits on the green slots.

That's what happens. If you're going to tell me that you have to quit before 40 rolls, then you've proved my point. Over the long haul, the more spins you take, the more likely it is that you'll lose money.

If you don't like the system I used, give me another one and I'll try it. I won't try anything for less than 40 rolls, I'm looking to give it a real good test. If I rolled say 5 times and left the table up 20, I wouldn't be convinced at all. With only 5 rolls, I could have just simply gotten lucky. But if your system can win me money over the course of 40 rolls, then I'll be convinced.

I put in bold where you might have strayed from what I said. I didn't say to repeat it...I said stop playing the ones you win, and double the ones you lose. Did you do that and didn't explain that in your post? Or maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
PS- I was VERY specific about leaving the table...so if you want to do a 40 roll example, there is no problem with that, just leave the table (ie: leave the website) then come back play again. That's what I do in real life, and that is what I preach to win in this system.
Also, you did not mention that you put $1 on 00 or 0 when they haven't hit after a while...did you do that? That was also in my instructions. I wasn't kidding when I said you HAVE to follow the instructions and not sway. If you do sway from the instructions, you will lose. You have to try to beat the odds through a loop hole, not beat it through straight odds...like you've pointed out, that won't work.

I went and played for EXACTLY 40 rolls, (leaving and coming back) and I "walked away" with $325. If you are losing, you're not doing it right. If you have the time, please print off the instructions, follow them, and try again. But like I said, you have to follow them 100%. Don't add your own instructions.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I put in bold where you might have strayed from what I said. I didn't say to repeat it...I said stop playing the ones you win, and double the ones you lose. Did you do that and didn't explain that in your post? Or maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
PS- I was VERY specific about leaving the table...so if you want to do a 40 roll example, there is no problem with that, just leave the table (ie: leave the website) then come back play again. That's what I do in real life, and that is what I preach to win in this system.
Also, you did not mention that you put $1 on 00 or 0 when they haven't hit after a while...did you do that? That was also in my instructions. I wasn't kidding when I said you HAVE to follow the instructions and not sway. If you do sway from the instructions, you will lose. You have to try to beat the odds through a loop hole, not beat it through straight odds...like you've pointed out, that won't work.

I went and played for EXACTLY 40 rolls, (leaving and coming back) and I "walked away" with $325. If you are losing, you're not doing it right. If you have the time, please print off the instructions, follow them, and try again. But like I said, you have to follow them 100%. Don't add your own instructions.

OK I'll try it out with those modifications. If I hit on a bet, I will not bet it on the very next roll. Instead, I will double the ones I just lost on.

If I see that 0 or 00 have not come up within the last 9 rolls, I will put a dollar straddling the two of them.

When I am up, I will walk away from the website and come back. I will do this until I have rolled 40 times, and will let you know the results.

PS Let me know if I need to do anything differently.

[Rexi]

Atheist. "Reality wasn't created, it just is."

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Just a note about the odds of life...

It's easy to present extreme odds of life as evidence of a creator. However, you must also apply the same logic in reverse.

Our sun sustains life on Earth. There are billions upon billions of stars in our galaxy -- each possibly capable of sustaining life in their own capacity. There are billions upon billions of galaxies in the universe. So, that is billions upon billions times billions upon billions of possible environments able to sustain life. What's a billion squared? I don't know, but it's a number so large we can't really comprehend it.

So, let's assume that the odds of life are around 100 billion to one (pretty liberal, I know). That would mean that for every 100 billion environments able to sustain life, there would be one of them which actually does sustain life -- and there are FAR more stars in the universe than 100 billion.

The point is: there are SO many stars in the universe, each possibly capable of sustaining life, that even if the odds of life are incredible, the colossal number of stars in the universe offset those odds significantly.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Just a note about the odds of life...

It's easy to present extreme odds of life as evidence of a creator. However, you must also apply the same logic in reverse.

Our sun sustains life on Earth. There are billions upon billions of stars in our galaxy -- each possibly capable of sustaining life in their own capacity. There are billions upon billions of galaxies in the universe. So, that is billions upon billions times billions upon billions of possible environments able to sustain life. What's a billion squared? I don't know, but it's a number so large we can't really comprehend it.

So, let's assume that the odds of life are around 100 billion to one (pretty liberal, I know). That would mean that for every 100 billion environments able to sustain life, there would be one of them which actually does sustain life -- and there are FAR more stars in the universe than 100 billion.

The point is: there are SO many stars in the universe, each possibly capable of sustaining life, that even if the odds of life are incredible, the colossal number of stars in the universe offset those odds significantly.

Very well said. The odds of an amino acid combining to form the early stages of life are indeed so astronomically tiny that you'd think it was impossible for it to happen.

But then you remember that our Earth has been around for billions of years (according to paleontological records), and you think well that sure does give the amino acids an awful lot of time to come around and finally beat the odds.

It's just like Powerball or Megamillions. The odds of winning are itsy bitsy. But if you played every week for billions of years, wouldn't yet expect to win at some point?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Just a note about the odds of life...

It's easy to present extreme odds of life as evidence of a creator. However, you must also apply the same logic in reverse.

Our sun sustains life on Earth. There are billions upon billions of stars in our galaxy -- each possibly capable of sustaining life in their own capacity. There are billions upon billions of galaxies in the universe. So, that is billions upon billions times billions upon billions of possible environments able to sustain life. What's a billion squared? I don't know, but it's a number so large we can't really comprehend it.

So, let's assume that the odds of life are around 100 billion to one (pretty liberal, I know). That would mean that for every 100 billion environments able to sustain life, there would be one of them which actually does sustain life -- and there are FAR more stars in the universe than 100 billion.

The point is: there are SO many stars in the universe, each possibly capable of sustaining life, that even if the odds of life are incredible, the colossal number of stars in the universe offset those odds significantly.

Non-interesting fact: Carl Sagan didn't actually use the phrase "billions and billions" - he just said "billions".

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Non-interesting fact: Carl Sagan didn't actually use the phrase "billions and billions" - he just said "billions".

Interesting fact: TAFKAS, Lady Brave, and Carl Sagan all share a birthday

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Interesting fact: TAFKAS, Lady Brave, and Carl Sagan all share a birthday

Very interesting indeed. Scorpios are super smart and might I add - sexy. Ok, maybe not Carl... but you know what I mean.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Scorpios are super smart and might I add - sexy.

Word.

[Redskins8588]

I just wanted to say that in this debate I believe that God and evolution do exsist or almost go hand in hand. It would be wrong to believe that God is all knowing, forgiving, and loving and the mastermind to life as we know it but He is incapable of designing a plan such as evolution...

Also, I just wanted to say that everyone says that they need scientific proof that either their is a God or that evolution did happen. Well, wasn't in science that tought us back in grade school, and I am sure everyone had to memorize it and write it down, that Pluto is a planet. Right, science tought us that. Only now we are being told that science is/was wrong...

Just food for thought...
(As I throw fuel on the flame...)

[Hog1]

I would doubt you can find anything that is indisputable. Those things that are considered "laws" in the scientific community are acceptable and popularized within the same group. That, however does not mean there is no other school of thought............on every issue

[Hog1]

Exactly J, you stole my thunder! Just as you say, the entire scientific community, Nay, the world accepted the "fact" that the world was flat. We now look upon that as archaic, ridiculous Jackassery (all rights reserved, Mk72 inc).
The same will be true in the future of many of the "facts" known today.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Exactly J, you stole my thunder! Just as you say, the entire scientific community, Nay, the world accepted the "fact" that the world was flat. We now look upon that as archaic, ridiculous Jackassery (all rights reserved, Mk72 inc).
The same will be true in the future of many of the "facts" known today.

Sorry man, didn't mean to steal your thunder, but I'm glad to see someone is getting my point. Sometimes I don't explain things right and I wonder how someone took me the wrong way...but I am doing an OK job of explaining myself...of course I could always do better.

I'm getting to the point that nothing in the world is fact, it is all theory. I think we as humans are due for an "epiphany"...something will happen that will change our core beliefs again. It's been a while since the last one.