Cheney treated like others, angry about it

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I think the media bias is really all about who you watch though. Firstdown is probably right in that the majority of the media has a left wing bias, but just look at Fox News for the polar opposite.
On the Daily Show (shows how much I really follow things) yesterday they were commenting on Fox News' real-time approval rating for Bush's State of the Union speech. According to about 85% Fox News viewers his speech was considered Excellent. As Jon Stewart put it, "those are Stalin-esque numbers." Plus, listen to guys like Bill O'Reilly when you want to say that everyone on TV is a left-winger.

I'm not going to comment much about politics, not because I don't know what I'm talking about, but because liberals and conservatives can find no common ground to argue on, thus cannot say anything worthwhile that the other side would consider reasonable. It's why I'd much like to argue football, because some people who disagree with you might actually listen to you.

Anyway, it just seems to me like Fox News gets a rep for being conservative-biased, simply because they televise conservative columnists. Here's the point: ANY news network could have these guys on. They get good, if not great ratings. IMO, the reason that MSNBC and CNN and networks of the such don't ever give a conservative a show, even with the potential for it to draw great ratings, is an inherent liberal bias. I don't think the presence of a Bill O'Reilly or a Sean Hannity makes Fox News any more biased, since everybody in america knows that these guys are conservatives. The other stations simply don't want them on. So for a conservative, why would you ever watch MSNBC or CNN? Theres as much as a news bias there as any station, and the only columnists they televise are liberal.

Just seems like Fox News gets a media-produced bad rep. News is news, they don't report it differently than anyone else.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not going to comment much about politics, not because I don't know what I'm talking about, but because liberals and conservatives can find no common ground to argue on, thus cannot say anything worthwhile that the other side would consider reasonable. It's why I'd much like to argue football, because some people who disagree with you might actually listen to you.

Anyway, it just seems to me like Fox News gets a rep for being conservative-biased, simply because they televise conservative columnists. Here's the point: ANY news network could have these guys on. They get good, if not great ratings. IMO, the reason that MSNBC and CNN and networks of the such don't ever give a conservative a show, even with the potential for it to draw great ratings, is an inherent liberal bias. I don't think the presence of a Bill O'Reilly or a Sean Hannity makes Fox News any more biased, since everybody in america knows that these guys are conservatives. The other stations simply don't want them on. So for a conservative, why would you ever watch MSNBC or CNN? Theres as much as a news bias there as any station, and the only columnists they televise are liberal.

Just seems like Fox News gets a media-produced bad rep. News is news, they don't report it differently than anyone else.

Fox News' slogan is fair and balanced for crying out loud. Granted, CNN and MSNBC have left leaning personalities but they at least don't attempt to pass themselves of as fair and balanced. I have absolutely no problem with Fox News being a conservative mouthpiece, I just don't insult us and pretend you are not.

The other thing that bothers me about Fox News is that it seems every single one of their prominent host is trying to sell me his book. Buy my book this, read my book that. When I watch Fox it feels like I am watching a televangelist marathon. And lets not get started on the kind of people they have as guests...Ann Coulter...that bitch is either completely insane or truly a great act.

Lastly, take John Gibbson's recent gaff regarding Obama for example. Here you have Gibbson who works for Fox News and he is talking about how CNN has so much more money that they can afford to send a journalist to Jakarta to verify the Obama Madrassa story. I mean, how can you classify yourself as a journalist when you say something like that?

[djnemo65]

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

Well cheney had no choice in his daughters sexuality. If you are born gay, your gay. pretty simple. Discriminates? because they dont want to change the law? I feel like, whats the big deal with trying to change it really? If gays want to be together,.... be together. I dont care. I dont think that qualifys as discrimination. And Blitzer is one of the bigger democratic ball kissers around. His question was nothing more than an attempt to ruffle and disrespect the VP. His daughter has been discussed SO many times, and he has talked openly and at length about it, that their was no real reason to ask about her.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gay marriage was a phony wedge issue used to rile up the conservative christians in middle america. It was a strategy that worked - Bush got reelected. How much political capital have they expended on getting that amendment through after the election? Where is the push to get it ratified? Instead they decided they would try to privatize social security.

Anyway, I think Cheney should at least clarify how he can be part of an administration that openly discriminates against his daughter. If you want to cozy up to the Christian right to win elections you have to be publically accountable for that.

I guess you would have to say that Clinton and everyone who voted for this bill he signed discriminated against gays.Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dmek25]

i couldnt have said that any better

[dmek25]

but, accountability is something this adminstration doesnt know anything about

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

The gay marriage debate was definately lacking in substance and was used to simply get W re-elected. However, meaningless issues forced upon us by idiot politicians pandering for votes is nothing new.

[Redskins8588]

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

I think that's well said. I am not exactly Martin Luther King, but I do think I would have the principle in that situation to go into the president's office and say, we have to abandon this issue or I'm stepping down. I mean, it wouldn't be a question.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

... and that's why Cheney is a coward.

djnemo said it best: Cheney should've stepped down.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I can't speak for others but I have 1 son and 2 daughters and if anyone of them were to come to me and tell me that they are gay I would not turn my back on them. I wouldn't be pleased, I am sure, at first. But at the end of the day they still would be my son or daughter and I would still be proud of them.

I am not saying that Cheney doesn't love or isn't proud of his daughter, but here is a guy that can help his own daughter live life a little easier and what does he do? He takes a back seat to the whole issue.

I am sorry but to me that is unacceptable to be a person who has some power and he does nothing to promote the well being of his daughter and his grandchild that will be growing up in a same sex household. No he just basicly washes his hands of the whole issue, boy that would be a great way to show your own flesh and blood that you care for her...

He has backed his daughter and if you do a search there are plenty of articles about his stance on the issue. Cheney at odds with Bush on gay marriage - Politics - MSNBC.com

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He has backed his daughter and if you do a search there are plenty of articles about his stance on the issue. Cheney at odds with Bush on gay marriage - Politics - MSNBC.com

Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?

The big deal simply seems to stem from the fact that it was a question that involves Cheney and his family on a personal level. There are a lot of other issues to deal with that Cheney can answer without going into something that diametrically opposes his party's position. I think Mr. Blitzer should've simply crossed that off of his list of things to ask.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Ok then whats the big deal if Wolf asks him questions about it in an interview?

If you read the article he said it was part of the job ( getting asked those questions)but felt that Wolf was crossing a line which he did not need to do. The writer made a bigger deal of it than he did. I was not a Clinton fan but always thought that when people brought his daughter into the mix it was not right.