Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

[12thMan]

I'm glad eveyone's still getting along after ten pages of this

[firstdown]

Yea, this one just keeps going. Maybe Shane will come back and spice things up. If you were not here back when Shane was a member he was as about as far left as you could go and if you did not agree with him he had a few select words. He has been gone for some time now I guess he is out hugging trees.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea, this one just keeps going. Maybe Shane will come back and spice things up. If you were not here back when Shane was a member he was as about as far left as you could go and if you did not agree with him he had a few select words. He has been gone for some time now I guess he is out hugging trees.

Yeah he was crazy hippie liberal. Not even close to reasonable and moderate. He was basically responsible for the downfall of the political forum all together. It was so frustrating posting with him. ugh.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Yeah he was crazy hippie liberal. Not even close to reasonable and moderate. He was basically responsible for the downfall of the political forum all together. It was so frustrating posting with him. ugh.

Not basically, he was the reason they closed the forum.

[saden1]

Regarding Somalia, the republican majority in congress weren't exactly backing Clinton.

Also, lets not forget:

1. How Clinton along with a coalition of European nations intervened in Kosovo to stop the slaughter of muslins.

2. Clinton's attempt at middle east peace when he regularly invited Palestinians and Israelis to Camp David. With the help of Clinton Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin shared 1/3 of the Noble Peace Prize.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

Regarding Somalia, the republican majority in congress weren't exactly backing Clinton.

Also, lets not forget:

1. How Clinton along with a coalition of European nations intervened in Kosovo to stop the slaughter of muslins.

2. Clinton's attempt at middle east peace when he regularly invited Palestinians and Israelis to Camp David. With the help of Clinton Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin shared 1/3 of the Noble Peace Prize.

With regard to Somalia, the Republicans didn't support him because the mission was undefined, the strategy was poor, and the execution was even worse.

As for Kosovo, Clinton did a pretty good job. But, interestingly he did it without UN approval (because the Russians and Chinese would have vetoed the matter) and because he claimed that the conflict with humanitarian dimensions and one that could spread (aka it was both a war or preemption and a humanitarian one).

Clinton's shining moment in foreign affairs was definately with Israel and Arafat. He did a good job and I can't knock him for it.

[dmek25]

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;277572]because the mission was undefined, the strategy was poor, and the execution was even worse.quote]
this sounds like the exact events going on in iraq right now

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

With regard to Somalia, the Republicans didn't support him because the mission was undefined, the strategy was poor, and the execution was even worse.

As for Kosovo, Clinton did a pretty good job. But, interestingly he did it without UN approval (because the Russians and Chinese would have vetoed the matter) and because he claimed that the conflict with humanitarian dimensions and one that could spread (aka it was both a war or preemption and a humanitarian one).

Clinton's shining moment in foreign affairs was definately with Israel and Arafat. He did a good job and I can't knock him for it.

It was interesting how no mention is ever made of how Kosovo was enacted without UN approval. I think the UN has major issues anyway, but that's a story for another day

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It was interesting how no mention is ever made of how Kosovo was enacted without UN approval. I think the UN has major issues anyway, but that's a story for another day

It's funny I've heard some say Clinton would make a good candidate for UN Secretary. Very unlikely though.

[dblanch66]

As long as Americans keep referring to other nations and other people as "them", as in "its either them or us" ; and, as long as other nations continue to refer to Americans as "them"...the problems will never get resolved. The only solution to the problem is a spiritual one which no one wants to look at 'cause it isn't sexy or testosterone laden. Most of the great minds have always known that we are all one. As soon as that is considered, problems will begin to dissipate and war will not be necessary. Until then, keep on killing.

[That Guy]

we can't invade iran. not without a massive, massive draft. logistically, it's just not possible without nuclear force, or a sweeping internal revolution for support.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we can't invade iran. not without a massive, massive draft. logistically, it's just not possible without nuclear force, or a sweeping internal revolution for support.

Is anyone actually considering invading Iran? I don't think even the most hawkish of politicians would support such a move. This is just another example of the media creating hype. Relations are bad with Iran and we have some serious issues to deal with (e.g., nukes and Iraq), but WW III is not going to break out.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Is anyone actually considering invading Iran? I don't think even the most hawkish of politicians would support such a move. This is just another example of the media creating hype. Relations are bad with Iran and we have some serious issues to deal with (e.g., nukes and Iraq), but WW III is not going to break out.

i know we won't, but for anyone that was wondering, iraq has 29million people (in 170,000 sq miles) and we don't have enough troops there to do what's being asked right now... iran has 70million people (in 636,000 sq miles) and post-conflict, would have vastly less stable borders in all likelihood. various news outlets (mainly tv) have hinted at it or asked about it every now and then, and it's just not even a remote possibility.

[Hog1]

I had to revive a goody when I saw this. This the type of thing we don't see enough of:

LONG , but worth is, regardless of your party affiliation.

All the Politicians and Anti War protesters need to read this ! And all
who do not
support our troops, and the main stream media who choose not to show all
the good
that is being done, or the mass graves found.

Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq , I was
forced to
return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained prior to my
deployment. With
luck, I'll return to Iraq in January to finish my tour.
I left Baghdad and a war that has every indication that we are winning, to
return to
a demoralized country much like the one I returned to in 1971 after my tour in
Vietnam .
Maybe it's because I'll turn 60 years old in just four months, but I'm tired:
I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican who lack the
courage, fortitude, and character to see these difficult tasks through.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite history when
the going
gets tough.
I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they "Support
the Troops"
by wanting them to "Cut and Run" before victory is achieved.
I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and casualty
reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their hotels to
report on
the courage and success our brave men and women are having on the battlefield.
I'm tired that so many American's think you can rebuild a dictatorship into a
democracy over night.
I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go to the
voting
booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent Parliament.
I'm tired of the so called "Elite Left" that prolongs this war by giving
aid and
comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam War. (Like Jane
Fonda)
I'm tired of anti-war protesters showing up at the funerals of our fallen
in a just
and noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly
protesters is beyond shameful.
I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom - Vietnam generation, who have
such a
weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult tasks through to
victory.
I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of captives then
they are
the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and allies.
I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the press, but
mistreat a prisoner and it is front page news.
Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn from
history
that there is no substitute for Victory.
Sincerely,
Joe Repya
Lieutenant Colonel
U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division

I've learned....
That the best classroom in the world is at the feet of an elderly person

[12thMan]

Hog, what made you dig this up?