Killer Mails Letter, Photos, Video to NBC

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Families cancel NBC appearances over gunman video - Yahoo! News

I mentioned this earlier, but here is an article that talks about some of the victims' families' reaction to NBC for airing the videos.

[hesscl34]

You guys miss the point that when you are mentally ill there is no choice of doing what is best for you and wanting to get well. When you are that sick you don't know what you want, or how to help yourself. That's why people have to be committed to hospitals and put on drugs before they can even begin to understand what's happening to them.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

You guys miss the point that when you are mentally ill there is no choice of doing what is best for you and wanting to get well. When you are that sick you don't know what you want, or how to help yourself. That's why people have to be committed to hospitals and put on drugs before they can even begin to understand what's happening to them.

I don't totally buy that argument, Hess. I do get the spirit of what you're saying; The healthcare system has failed us and should assume a larger responsibility somehow.

However, in this specific incident we were dealing with an individual that was cognizant enough to sit in classes in a major university, took care of his own basic needs day in and day out, had the presence of mind to buy a gun and many other things that normal people do. What I'm getting at is this kid seemed somewhat normal.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't totally buy that argument, Hess. I do get the spirit of what you're saying; The healthcare system has failed us and should assume a larger responsibility somehow.

However, in this specific incident we were dealing with an individual that was cognizant enough to sit in classes in a major university, took care of his own basic needs day in and day out, had the presence of mind to buy a gun and many other things that normal people do. What I'm getting at is this kid seemed somewhat normal.

Exactly.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Exactly.

I think the most dangerous person is a person like him. Crazy but not crazy enough for us to see or do anything about it. I am sure we have a ton people already locked up that would easily do what he did, but they were crazy enough for us to do something about it.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think the most dangerous person is a person like him. Crazy but not crazy enough for us to see or do anything about it. I am sure we have a ton people already locked up that would easily do what he did, but they were crazy enough for us to do something about it.

Absolutely. He was crazy enough to think up and carry out something as horrific as this, but at the same time he was 'sane' enough to be sort of overlooked or just seen as a weird kid.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

You guys miss the point that when you are mentally ill there is no choice of doing what is best for you and wanting to get well. When you are that sick you don't know what you want, or how to help yourself. That's why people have to be committed to hospitals and put on drugs before they can even begin to understand what's happening to them.

Who determines who's sick enough in the head to be committed? I've known probably half a dozen people over the course of my life who have very similar personalities to this guy, and none of them ever did anything dangerous. What's the criteria for being committed and who sets the rules? Anyone who's overly shy, or doesn't have a lot of friends gets committed? There are so many things wrong with that idea. It wouldn't work.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I agree with you 12th.
This kid seemed to be a sociopath rather than a psychopath

Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Psychopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd try to get more into this but my computer is acting up right now. Stupid cheap ass company.

The difference between sociopathy and psychopathy, according to Hare, may "reflect the user's views on the origins and determinates of the disorder."[34] Most sociologists, criminologists and even some psychologists believe the disorder is caused by social conflicts, and thus prefer the term 'sociopath.' Those who believe as Hare does, that a combination of psychological, biological, genetic and environmental factors all contribute to the disorder are more likely to use the term 'psychopath'.

David T. Lykken proposes that psychopathy and sociopathy are two distinct kinds of antisocial personality. He holds that psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms; sociopaths, on the other hand, have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence. Both personality disorders are, of course, the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental

[Lady Brave]

I said before that the media wasn't asking the right questions. Finally, FINALLY! someone is bringing this to light. This the exact same thing I have been harping on the last few days.

Did Cho Buy the Guns Legally? - Newsweek National News - MSNBC.com

[dall-assblows]

**** this dude. self-ish piece of shit. i would love to torture this ass day in and day out

[SmootSmack]

If I was this kid, I know I'd have nightmares for the rest of my life

Viriginia Tech Survivor Describes Shooting

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

**** this dude. self-ish piece of shit. i would love to torture this ass day in and day out

Seriously, what does that even accomplish?

I really hate when people say stupid shit like this...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Seriously, what does that even accomplish?

I really hate when people say stupid shit like this...

I know.

Hey let's fight violence with violence, brilliant!

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I know.

Hey let's fight violence with violence, brilliant!

But if they fought the Killers violence with violence there may be less dead.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

But if they fought the Killers violence with violence there may be less dead.

How so?

Fighting violence with violence is something society has done from the beginning of time, yet even in a 'modern day', supposedly intelligent society we still have the same problems.

Doesn't seem to be really working very well in my opinion.