Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO

[MTK]

I'm really not comparing it to anything, the bottom line is it could and should be a lot better than it is. It's been broken for a long time with no viable solutions in sight.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm really not comparing it to anything, the bottom line is it could and should be a lot better than it is. It's been broken for a long time with no viable solutions in sight.

Yeah true that. Economic inertia is a factor. It would take so much time and money just to change the system to a more fair process regarding reimbursement. And there's no catalyst in place to make hospitals, insurance companies, and pharm companies to make the switch. They'll just keep on keepin on until the government forces the issue. Healthcare providers are too busy just trying to survive as it is; they don't have time to think about industry changes, they just need to think about how they're going to keep the lights on.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I have no doubt that our healthcare system has serious problems, but I cannot stomach Michael Moore. Truth be told, I lean left on most issues, but I cannot stand people on either side of the fence that cherrypick evidence. Michael Moore is to the left what Bush is to the right. Moore takes data and facts and manipulates them in such a dishonest way.

Bowling for Columbine was entertaining, but it was incoherent and made no real point other than that America has a gun problem. Farenheit 9/11 was not only incoherent, but it was also filled with B.S. In sum, Michael Moore has as much credibility with me as Dick Cheney does when it comes to WMDs in Iraq (i.e., none). The sad thing is that people on the left idolize Michael Moore because of his "conclusions" despite the fact that his analysis sucks, he's dishonest, and he's a world-class a-hole.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The sad thing is that people on the left idolize Michael Moore because of his "conclusions" despite the fact that his analysis sucks, he's dishonest, and he's a world-class a-hole.

Funny that the same thing could be said of the right and GW. Only difference is Moore isn't running the country.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Funny that the same thing could be said of the right and GW. Only difference is Moore isn't running the country.

I think it is funny when leftists think GW is very conservative. GW is inarguably middle of the road for republicans. He has espoused very little in terms of true conservative values. This is the reaason he is so unpopular. Even righties don't much like him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think it is funny when leftists think GW is very conservative. GW is inarguably middle of the road for republicans. He has espoused very little in terms of true conservative values. This is the reaason he is so unpopular. Even righties don't much like him.

'W' is no Reagan that's for sure when it comes to how far to the right he leans.

I think what really rubs people the wrong way with him is that "You're either with me or against me" attitude he has. There's no middle ground with him.

Most of all the guy is just an idiot, but that's a debate for another day.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I have no doubt that our healthcare system has serious problems, but I cannot stomach Michael Moore. Truth be told, I lean left on most issues, but I cannot stand people on either side of the fence that cherrypick evidence. Michael Moore is to the left what Bush is to the right. Moore takes data and facts and manipulates them in such a dishonest way.

Bowling for Columbine was entertaining, but it was incoherent and made no real point other than that America has a gun problem. Farenheit 9/11 was not only incoherent, but it was also filled with B.S. In sum, Michael Moore has as much credibility with me as Dick Cheney does when it comes to WMDs in Iraq (i.e., none). The sad thing is that people on the left idolize Michael Moore because of his "conclusions" despite the fact that his analysis sucks, he's dishonest, and he's a world-class a-hole.

Bingo. I lean right on issues but I try to be reasonable and see all sides to an issue. Moore is what is wrong with the liberal side in America. He is not only ultra-liberal beyond what what regular liberal Aemericans are he also one-tracked. He cannot even fathom agreeing with a conservative view and seeks out ways, both honest and dishonest, to advance his ultra-liberal views. He lies consistently and CREATES discontent where there need not be any. The problem is that for some reason the money in the Democratic party goes more towards this type of idiot rather than towards a reasonable liberal who will to do what really is best for America. The right has increasingly the same problem. Both parties have been or are very close to being totally taken over by the extreme sides and they are the ones who take no prisoners and cause serious problems. This is not a right/left/middle situation. This is a very right/very left/everyone else situation.

[diehardskin2982]

there should be legislation against the Drug Companies. hopefully his movie will expose their scam.

[dmek25]

its up to the people to do something. the way that happens is thru the vote. the people have given us a democratic majority for the first time since 1992. Michael Moore's job is not to fix what is broken, its just him shedding light on our great nations biggest problems. his movies are the real issues, not Iraq and illegal aliens

[SmootSmack]

Keep in mind the 60% that was given to charity was part of a negotiating tactic that Disney "forced" upon Miramax when they were arguing over distribution rights to the movie, to keep Miramax and Moore from really cashing in.

It wasn't some benevolent gesture by Moore

But you're right Matty, the idea is to use Moore's films to learn more about the issue at hand. Maybe you come out of it, after thoroughly researching through mediums other than Moore, that Moore is completely off-base in his assestment. But to Moore's credit, he at least gets you thinking

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

40% of multi millions is still money for lies bro and cashing in on the weak, poor and dying. Does that make it right he gives away 60% on 1/2 truths and "other" peoples pain and suffering?

Go make a movie on Darfur and give 60% away then feel good about yourself.

Go make a movie about rape victims and give 60% away.

Dewd, you could make a 60 minute movie pointing fingers with 1/2 facts and give 60% away. Does it make it worth merit?

peace

I know...3 months

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

40% of multi millions is still money for lies bro and cashing in on the weak, poor and dying. Does that make it right he gives away 60% on 1/2 truths and "other" peoples pain and suffering?

Go make a movie on Darfur and give 60% away then feel good about yourself.

Go make a movie about rape victims and give 60% away.

Dewd, you could make a 60 minute movie pointing fingers with 1/2 facts and give 60% away. Does it make it worth merit?

peace

I know...3 months

60% of net profits is a very generous donation. He shouldn't have to apologize for making money... people/companies capitalize at the expense of others every day, let's not make Moore out to be the devil here for making money off a movie he made.

[70Chip]

Regarding the above France Presse story, I am amazed that Britain ranks first. Anyone who watches Prime Minister's questions knows that complaints about the National Health are incessant. They have ridiculously long waits for common procedures and I suspect that the outcome of this study was fore-ordained. Think tanks and the like have agendas and their "studies" should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I see your points Matty re: Moore's films making people learn more about whatever he shines his light on. I, however, am a skeptic and tend to think that Moore's movies only make those people who are already reading the papers to do additional thinking. I believe, perhaps incorrectly, that most people who see his films don't do a lick of additional research and simply take him at his word.

[Daseal]

I can definitely see how people dislike Moore, and while you shouldn't take everything he says to heart he gets a rise out of some big names which if nothing else is worth it. My main gripe is when people refuse to watch or read anything Michael Moore does then hate on him. At least know what you're hating on instead of blindly following Hannity.