Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines

GusFrerotte · 05-27-2007, 11:11 PM

He might just be nerovus about the blowback over prosecuting Vick. Might be thinking there might be considerable support for Vick, if he is brought to trial, possible death threats, and yes having his personal life pried into. He might not have dogs fighting, but if he has other skeletons in his closet they will be laid bare for all to see. My bet is he just doesn't want the spotlight on him and/or the case to become a major media event that turns out to be another OJ type joke trial.

skinsfan_nn · 05-27-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

He might just be nerovus about the blowback over prosecuting Vick. Might be thinking there might be considerable support for Vick, if he is brought to trial, possible death threats, and yes having his personal life pried into. He might not have dogs fighting, but if he has other skeletons in his closet they will be laid bare for all to see. My bet is he just doesn't want the spotlight on him and/or the case to become a major media event.

If that was also Poin's bet, not wanting spotlight on himself first of all he picked the wrong occupation (which is very apparent to begin with) or the case to become a major media circus....? HE LOST THAT BET, BIG TIME, ABOUT A MONTH AGO!

LMsexyAO · 05-27-2007, 11:46 PM

I think the Duke lacrosse case is evidence enough that an over-eager prosecutor is FAR worse than a slow one. If Vick is found guilty, then I'm all for throwing the book at him, until then just let the investigation run its course.

70Chip · 05-28-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

I think the Duke lacrosse case is evidence enough that an over-eager prosecutor is FAR worse than a slow one. If Vick is found guilty, then I'm all for throwing the book at him, until then just let the investigation run its course.

Well stated.

MonkFan4Life · 05-28-2007, 06:31 AM

Yeah I saw the interview with the "informant" talking about how the dog community is worried about Vick talking to save his ass. Funny seeing that's what this prick is doing. Now don't get me wrong IF Vick is proven to have participated in dog fighting then I say punish him for what he did and not just try to prove a point because of who he is. I found it pretty nice how when ESPN read the letter from the Mayor of California ? I could be wrong but someone out there who pretty much told the NFL if you fuck with him you don't fuck with us. Now that's innocent until proven guilty for ya! Someone made a good point. This has been played out much like the Sean Taylor situation. Whatever "evidence" there is it is played up to give the public the perception of guilt.

Hey Gus quick question. What about the O.J. trial made it a joke ?

Rajmahal33 · 05-28-2007, 08:39 AM

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

SmootSmack · 05-28-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution.

Then again

Former NFL receiver Rae Carruth is doing time in prison for playing a significant role in the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend

Former NFL running back Stanley Wilson is doing time for armed burglary (I think it was armed burglary)

Former MLB pitcher Ugueth Urbina is about to be locked up (if he's not in jail already) after being found guilty of attempted murder

and there are others

LMsexyAO · 05-28-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Then again

Former NFL receiver Rae Carruth is doing time in prison for playing a significant role in the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend

Former NFL running back Stanley Wilson is doing time for armed burglary (I think it was armed burglary)

Former MLB pitcher Ugueth Urbina is about to be locked up (if he's not in jail already) after being found guilty of attempted murder

and there are others

Also, even if there is some truth to the theory that having money/being famous can keep you out of jail, it is certainly a double edge sword. OJ was found innocent, but he's also completely bankrupt and still in mountains of debt. Kobe was found innocent, yet how much money did he lose in endorsment deals alone? When you are a big name, just getting accused is enough to tarnish your career in a huge way.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-29-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Then again

Former NFL receiver Rae Carruth is doing time in prison for playing a significant role in the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend

Former NFL running back Stanley Wilson is doing time for armed burglary (I think it was armed burglary)

Former MLB pitcher Ugueth Urbina is about to be locked up (if he's not in jail already) after being found guilty of attempted murder

and there are others

Agreed. Mike Tyson, Jamal Lewis, Tank Johnson, etc...all did time too. No two cases are the same.

FRPLG · 05-29-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Oh no. No no.

Goodell has made it clear that criminal charges and guilty verdicts mean less than ever. His new personal conduct policy is meant to address people who are reflecting badly on the league. Being involved in illegal activities like this reflects badly. Goodell doesn't need any type of conviction. I will guarantee you that Vick is going to get punished when this all shakes out not matter how the criminal investigation comes down. This whole mess looks bad and that is what Goodell cares about. The whole new attitude is about these guys not putting themselves in positions where they make the league look bad even if they aren't specifically commiting crimes.

JDALY27 · 05-29-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

OJ murdered two people and got away with it...
Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved...
Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed.
I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome?

The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Is it Kobe's fault that he's hung like a horse?

GusFrerotte · 05-29-2007, 01:53 PM

Now Goodell want a NFL Dog Fighting Resolution!!!!!!! What a frigging moron. Dogfighting is already illegal!!!!!!! Is he saying it isn't illegal for NFL players to participate in it unless there is a NFL statute saying so? I love how he has NFL Security "help" the criminal investigation out. Can you say sack the inestigation. God damn!!!!! I am thinking about switching to hockey or something. First it is the Cincy problems, now Vick, and god who knows who will be next screwing up or shooting someone. This is what happens when you give free rides to college for thugs just because they can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, or knows how to throw or catch a football. My bet is even if Vick is nailed, he will be let off scot free pretty much.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-29-2007, 05:11 PM

After reading this article and seeing the attached pictures, it's pretty hard to swallow the notion that Vick had no involvement in the operation. I know a jury must presume innocence and can only convict a defendant upon finding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but I've pretty much made up my mind about the guy based on the article and the pics.

GusFrerotte · 05-29-2007, 05:56 PM

Just wish these guys would wise up and cut the thuggish behavior out. Once you are on top like that the spotlight is going to be on you anyway, so why risk blowing everything. Trouble is since HS and by definitely college these guys are put on easy street, cut classes, inflated grades, basket weaving classes, etc. I remember friends from Univ of Mich telling me they saw members of the "Fab Five" in the early 90's drive around in Beemers from boosters no doubt. Too much crap like this going on and these guys get inflated heads like they can do anything. Thing is they are smart, they know they help get the butts into seats and make the universities millions, and the universities will look the other way if they screw up. Even a lot that do get nailed get let off easy. Univ of Michigan is one of the worst for that stuff. So much for higher learning.

skinsfan69 · 05-29-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Just wish these guys would wise up and cut the thuggish behavior out. Once you are on top like that the spotlight is going to be on you anyway, so why risk blowing everything. Trouble is since HS and by definitely college these guys are put on easy street, cut classes, inflated grades, basket weaving classes, etc. I remember friends from Univ of Mich telling me they saw members of the "Fab Five" in the early 90's drive around in Beemers from boosters no doubt. Too much crap like this going on and these guys get inflated heads like they can do anything. Thing is they are smart, they know they help get the butts into seats and make the universities millions, and the universities will look the other way if they screw up. Even a lot that do get nailed get let off easy. Univ of Michigan is one of the worst for that stuff. So much for higher learning.

No question the fab five were taking handouts. But who is worse. The guys taking the handouts? Or the boosters that are preying on young college students who have no money?

05-27-2007, 11:11 PM	#1
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines He might just be nerovus about the blowback over prosecuting Vick. Might be thinking there might be considerable support for Vick, if he is brought to trial, possible death threats, and yes having his personal life pried into. He might not have dogs fighting, but if he has other skeletons in his closet they will be laid bare for all to see. My bet is he just doesn't want the spotlight on him and/or the case to become a major media event that turns out to be another OJ type joke trial.

05-27-2007, 11:46 PM	#3
LMsexyAO Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 684	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines I think the Duke lacrosse case is evidence enough that an over-eager prosecutor is FAR worse than a slow one. If Vick is found guilty, then I'm all for throwing the book at him, until then just let the investigation run its course.

05-28-2007, 06:31 AM	#5
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 49 Posts: 1,851	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines Yeah I saw the interview with the "informant" talking about how the dog community is worried about Vick talking to save his ass. Funny seeing that's what this prick is doing. Now don't get me wrong IF Vick is proven to have participated in dog fighting then I say punish him for what he did and not just try to prove a point because of who he is. I found it pretty nice how when ESPN read the letter from the Mayor of California ? I could be wrong but someone out there who pretty much told the NFL if you fuck with him you don't fuck with us. Now that's innocent until proven guilty for ya! Someone made a good point. This has been played out much like the Sean Taylor situation. Whatever "evidence" there is it is played up to give the public the perception of guilt. Hey Gus quick question. What about the O.J. trial made it a joke ? __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

05-28-2007, 08:39 AM	#6
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines OJ murdered two people and got away with it... Ray Lewis either had a direct hand in killing someone or at the very least knows who did...According to the Atlanta police their conclusion was that the man was killed but there was no murderer, they actually closed the case rather than leave it unsolved... Kobe bryant had sex with a girl in a VERY rough manner...enough to cause her to bleed out of her orifices. Something about that doesn't seem like completely consensual sex throughout the entire deed. I'm not saying that dogfighting isn't heinous, but in the grand scheme of things the above listed crimes are far worst than illegal dogfighting, but what was the outcome? The moral is that if you are famous/have money or both, the legal system in this country allows for you to escape prosecution. The DA obviously doesn't have enough evidence to even charge Vick, much less win a court case. Especially after the Duke lax scandal, prosecutors are becoming more and more wary of fallacious charges or ones that won't stick and end up costing the taxpayers a ton of money, so I don't expect Vick to be charged unless something concrete surfaces out (like a paper trail NOT just conjecture). Without charges being drawn against Vick, Goodell cannot suspend him without major criticism. Sucks to be him right now cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. __________________ McNasty FTW!

05-29-2007, 01:53 PM	#12
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines Now Goodell want a NFL Dog Fighting Resolution!!!!!!! What a frigging moron. Dogfighting is already illegal!!!!!!! Is he saying it isn't illegal for NFL players to participate in it unless there is a NFL statute saying so? I love how he has NFL Security "help" the criminal investigation out. Can you say sack the inestigation. God damn!!!!! I am thinking about switching to hockey or something. First it is the Cincy problems, now Vick, and god who knows who will be next screwing up or shooting someone. This is what happens when you give free rides to college for thugs just because they can run a 4.3 40 yard dash, or knows how to throw or catch a football. My bet is even if Vick is nailed, he will be let off scot free pretty much.

05-29-2007, 05:11 PM	#13
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines After reading this article and seeing the attached pictures, it's pretty hard to swallow the notion that Vick had no involvement in the operation. I know a jury must presume innocence and can only convict a defendant upon finding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but I've pretty much made up my mind about the guy based on the article and the pics.

05-29-2007, 05:56 PM	#14
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Michael Vick Update - Outside the Lines Just wish these guys would wise up and cut the thuggish behavior out. Once you are on top like that the spotlight is going to be on you anyway, so why risk blowing everything. Trouble is since HS and by definitely college these guys are put on easy street, cut classes, inflated grades, basket weaving classes, etc. I remember friends from Univ of Mich telling me they saw members of the "Fab Five" in the early 90's drive around in Beemers from boosters no doubt. Too much crap like this going on and these guys get inflated heads like they can do anything. Thing is they are smart, they know they help get the butts into seats and make the universities millions, and the universities will look the other way if they screw up. Even a lot that do get nailed get let off easy. Univ of Michigan is one of the worst for that stuff. So much for higher learning.

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