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[SmootSmack]

What you're describing isn't exclusive to the Skins though.

[hesscl34]

I certainly have a way of using the wrong word around here....

[sandtrapjack]

OUCH, ranked below the Texans by both writers.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

OUCH, ranked below the Texans by both writers.

All the more proof that those writers are idiots.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

All the more proof that those writers are idiots.

Yes hess, those and most of the others are in the same boat. Ship of FOOLS!

[MTK]

I never said that tradition doesn't matter. That's ridiculous. The Redskins have a proud and rich tradition.

I'm simply saying what happened over the course of the last 10-15 years has no bearing on what is going to happen this season.

Standards aren't any lower now than they ever were. I don't think you could find a Skins fan alive that wasn't incredibly disappointed with last year and wishes nothing but a playoff run for this season. I wish you could back up with this claim with something meaningful rather than this 'because I say so' mentality.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I never said that tradition doesn't matter. That's ridiculous. The Redskins have a proud and rich tradition.

I'm simply saying what happened over the course of the last 10-15 years has no bearing on what is going to happen this season.

Standards aren't any lower now than they ever were. I don't think you could find a Skins fan alive that wasn't incredibly disappointed with last year and wishes nothing but a playoff run for this season. I wish you could back up with this claim with something meaningful rather than this 'because I say so' mentality.

I guess if you are looking for proof of lowered standards (from anything less than a super bowl win is acceptable) see post 24 of this thread. If that isnt a lowered standard I dont know what is. I honestly think I lot of fans think that way now because losing and mediocre play seems to have become endemic to this organization.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by irish

I guess if you are looking for proof of lowered standards (from anything less than a super bowl win is acceptable) see post 24 of this thread. If that isnt a lowered standard I dont know what is. I honestly think I lot of fans think that way now because losing and mediocre play seems to have become endemic to this organization.

I don't get that at all. Quite simply, it's the difference between someone who tends to cast things in a positive light, and someone who tends to cast things in a negative light. Just perspective........

#24
"We made it to the second round of the playoffs two years ago, which is more than A LOT of teams have done. We do have what it takes.. I just think it takes time. The fans around here have such high standards. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there will be times when things are going our way and times they are not. It happens to EVERY team. There are teams that have never seen the Super Bowl. Be lucky you aren't their fans. Being able to watch players like ST, Portis, ARL, and Moss I think is a privilege. I get excited just thinking about what they are going to do out there. We don't always win, but there is almost ALWAYS a good show from someone. It's not boring!!!! HAIL! J"

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[gibbsisgod]

So because the Skins haven't won it all in a long time or haven't been a "good team" for many years we should stop supporting them? Isn't that the definition of a fairweather fan? When they start winning again, is it alright to start supporting them again? If so, we would be labled as bandwagon jumpers instaed of true fans that stuck it out durring tough times.

Any person who switches teams because their first isn't winning anymore was never a true fan in the first place.

I will watch the Redskins play for the rest of my life and believe they will win every game because this is my team. That isn't lowering my standards, thats being a true fan and supporting my team through thick and thin.

I will never accept losing. It hurts to see the team you love lose so often, but it does make seasons like '05 that much better because you did stick it out. Its all about loyalty, not lowering your standards.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

So because the Skins haven't won it all in a long time or haven't been a "good team" for many years we should stop supporting them? Isn't that the definition of a fairweather fan? When they start winning again, is it alright to start supporting them again? If so, we would be labled as bandwagon jumpers instaed of true fans that stuck it out durring tough times.

Any person who switches teams because their first isn't winning anymore was never a true fan in the first place.

I will watch the Redskins play for the rest of my life and believe they will win every game because this is my team. That isn't lowering my standards, thats being a true fan and supporting my team through thick and thin.

I will never accept losing. It hurts to see the team you love lose so often, but it does make seasons like '05 that much better because you did stick it out. Its all about loyalty, not lowering your standards.

Excellent post and I thought the bolded part was particularly well said.

Up yours Irish! (chill - j/k)

[irish]

All the things mentioned in post 24 are bright spots in those seasons and I dont recall where I said anyone should stop supporting the team. I have'nt. However when someone tells me I should be happy because the redskins went to the 2nd round of the playoff 2 years ago (he didnt mention it was only the 2nd time in like 15 years) and I should consider myself lucky I am not a fan of the Cards, Lions, etc. because they have sucked longer than the skins, I cant help but shake my head in sorrow.

The standard used to be playoff success every year and now it seems I should be thankful for a glimmer of sunshine twice in 15 years. Its about loyality and standards. Everyone on this board is loyal to the skins, I just dont let my loyality get in the way of my high standards for this organization.

In the end I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by irish

I just dont let my loyality get in the way of my high standards for this organization.

And I wont let 15 years of failure get in the way of my love for the Redskins like you.

[hesscl34]

I think it could be so much worse than it has been. Since Gibbs came back we've made the playoffs once in 3 years, and had two mediocre seasons, but with quite a few spectacular games mixed in there!!! I just see more positive than negative, but I don't expect a miracle. At least we aren’t the poor Dolphins. I think it takes time to rebuild after a new owner, a million coaching changes and quite a few front office mistakes…. I’m not going anywhere (as a fan), and I can’t wait to see what the season has in store for us.