smokers tax

FRPLG · 08-08-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Cigarettes are perfectly analogous to harmful fast food - both are totally unhealthy, no one HAS to consume fast food or cigarettes, but they are redeeming because people like them despite their ill health effects.

I really have to diagree. That "totally unhealthy" fast food is not inherently totally unhealthy. It contains nothing that other healthy foods don't also contain they simply have more of certain things that CAN BE unhealthy in great enough quantities. Fat is not bad for you in proper amounts. I simply cannot associate any real food with cigarettes. There isn't one redeeming quality about them. And "people like them" is not a redeeming quality. By that logic murder has redeeming qualities because some people like to kill other people.

Hog1 · 08-08-2007, 09:18 AM

It's high time to start tossing the tea in the harbor!

FRPLG · 08-08-2007, 09:48 AM

I am conservative and I support a cigarette tax absolutely. It is not a question of the government impinging on our rights...it is a public health issue. There is not even an iota of positive that comes from smoking. It is unquestionably bad for the smoker, probably bad for those around him/her and is a blight on our healthcare system. All the other things mentioned have some potential positives to them so to me they would require way more nuance. But cigs ought to be taxed out of existence if it were up to me.

mredskins · 08-08-2007, 09:53 AM

Alcohol is taxed here in PA, and trust me, those businesses are doing fine.

Isn't alcohol taxed in every state???

Schneed10 · 08-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Alcohol is taxed here in PA, and trust me, those businesses are doing fine.

Isn't alcohol taxed in every state???

More so here in PA. A case of beer typically costs $2-4 more than it would in VA. That's mainly attributable to tax differences.

mredskins · 08-08-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

More so here in PA. A case of beer typically costs $2-4 more than it would in VA. That's mainly attributable to tax differences.

Hmmm...A six pack of coors Light in MD. is like $4.99. How much in PA?

dmek25 · 08-08-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Hmmm...A six pack of coors Light in MD. is like $4.99. How much in PA?

10.00 easy. maybe alittle less in some spots, maybe alittle more

Schneed10 · 08-08-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

10.00 easy. maybe alittle less in some spots, maybe alittle more

A lot of that cost is because you can't buy beer at grocery or convenience stores. At beer distributors, you can only buy by the case. So the only place to get a sixer is at bars/restaurants with liquor licenses who sell take out beer.

These places are the only places open in the state that sell beer after 10:00 pm. So they jack their prices way up because of the supply and demand balance.

So you can't compare the prices of sixers in VA and PA, it's not apples to apples. But if you compare prices of cases in PA and VA, you're talking about 10-20% more in PA.

Schneed10 · 08-08-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Hmmm...A six pack of coors Light in MD. is like $4.99. How much in PA?

$5.99, sometimes way more.

jsarno · 08-08-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

More so here in PA. A case of beer typically costs $2-4 more than it would in VA. That's mainly attributable to tax differences.

My buddy just moved to Alabama, and he told me about the "sin tax". Alcohol and cigarettes are already more expensive then they were in Florida.
I told him to stop smoking and cut down on his drinking, he laughed at me.

saden1 · 08-08-2007, 10:21 AM

I have a better idea, why don't we tax everything I rarely if ever buy? Tax guns, baseball gear, diapers & baby food, carrots, any shirt smaller than XL, contact lenses, and all things I don't buy.

Stacks42 · 08-08-2007, 11:23 AM

Dont add more taxes, cut the government waste.

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-08-2007, 11:57 AM

The one difference is that cigarettes don't sustain you (some could argue that they do

) but fast food, as bad as it is for you, keeps you alive.

saden1 · 08-08-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

The one difference is that cigarettes don't sustain you (some could argue that they do

) but fast food, as bad as it is for you, keeps you alive.

Until you die of a heart attack or diabetes?

FRPLG · 08-08-2007, 12:09 PM

I think true conservatives don't hate all taxes. They hate over-taxes. I have no problem paying taxes to protect our country.

Besides the difference between a "required" tax and a "selective" tax is not insiginificant to me. If I don't like the cigarette tax then I don't have to pay it. I simply don't buy cigarettes and the tax doesn't apply to me. As for income tax, well if I don't pay then everyone else gets to ante up for supporting me while I rot in jail for a little while. Big difference to me.

08-08-2007, 09:18 AM	#2
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: smokers tax It's high time to start tossing the tea in the harbor! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

08-08-2007, 09:48 AM	#3
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: smokers tax I am conservative and I support a cigarette tax absolutely. It is not a question of the government impinging on our rights...it is a public health issue. There is not even an iota of positive that comes from smoking. It is unquestionably bad for the smoker, probably bad for those around him/her and is a blight on our healthcare system. All the other things mentioned have some potential positives to them so to me they would require way more nuance. But cigs ought to be taxed out of existence if it were up to me.

08-08-2007, 09:53 AM	#4
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,231	Re: smokers tax *Alcohol is taxed here in PA, and trust me, those businesses are doing fine.* Isn't alcohol taxed in every state???

08-08-2007, 10:21 AM	#11
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: smokers tax I have a better idea, why don't we tax everything I rarely if ever buy? Tax guns, baseball gear, diapers & baby food, carrots, any shirt smaller than XL, contact lenses, and all things I don't buy. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

08-08-2007, 11:23 AM	#12
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 49 Posts: 837	Re: smokers tax Dont add more taxes, cut the government waste. __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

08-08-2007, 11:57 AM	#13
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: smokers tax The one difference is that cigarettes don't sustain you (some could argue that they do ) but fast food, as bad as it is for you, keeps you alive. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-08-2007, 12:09 PM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: smokers tax I think true conservatives don't hate all taxes. They hate over-taxes. I have no problem paying taxes to protect our country. Besides the difference between a "required" tax and a "selective" tax is not insiginificant to me. If I don't like the cigarette tax then I don't have to pay it. I simply don't buy cigarettes and the tax doesn't apply to me. As for income tax, well if I don't pay then everyone else gets to ante up for supporting me while I rot in jail for a little while. Big difference to me.

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