Right Tackle

[dall-assblows]

heyer all the way. he could probably be a starter for us next year at the same position.

[dall-assblows]

i mean sure wade has the Exp. but he sucks. he was terrible in miami, and houston. i dont think he had a rebirth.

heyer is good, smart and has TREMENDOUS upside an potential.

he shut down taylor, even if he wasnt 100%. he is still one of the best at 85-90%. plus clinton portis, campbell, an the rest of the line have faith in him. CP seem to be happy to have him in over wade in his presser.

ADV - heyer

[MTK]

Wade is the obvious pick.

Heyer is good for depth but over the long haul you want the vet in there.

[70Chip]

I think the concern with Heyer would be the complex schemes run by Jim Johnson and the Eagles. Miami blitzed some, but not a lot. I think, on the road against all the blitzes, you have to lean towards Wade unless his injury is unmanageable. As I said before he has a reputation as a great pass protector when he is at Right Tackle.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think the concern with Heyer would be the complex schemes run by Jim Johnson and the Eagles. Miami blitzed some, but not a lot. I think, on the road against all the blitzes, you have to lean towards Wade unless his injury is unmanageable. As I said before he has a reputation as a great pass protector when he is at Right Tackle.

Yep, and give someone like Jimmy Johnson a week to prepare for an undrafted FA at right tackle and we'll have big problems.

If Wade can go he's gotta be in there. I'd be really surprised if Heyer starts.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't know Sheriff. We gave up no sacks after Heyer came in if I remember correctly.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I want Wade too if he's healthy. I loved hearing last year that most defensive players had more trouble with Wade than Jansen.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I want Wade too if he's healthy. I loved hearing last year that most defensive players had more trouble with Wade than Jansen.

Problem is he 'aint healthy. I think this is one of those injuries he's going to have to play with the entire season.

In an interview Wade said he'd being playing with a harness on that shoulder for a while.When asked if he was 100%, he said something like, well I'm healthy enough.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Well, I trust the coaching staff to know if Heyer needs to go in or not.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Well, I trust the coaching staff to know if Heyer needs to go in or not.

Agreed. May the best guy play. If Wade is banged up, then start Heyer. Either way protect Jason, and lets beat the Eagles.

[Bushead]

I voted Heyner, but after reading some posts, Wade should definetly start. I've seen time and time again where people come into the game and do well because the other team couldn't look at video tape of the player and take advantage of him. I feel that with a week to prepare for an unexperienced RT, the eagles will have a field day.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

Actually I'm glad that Heyer is playing right tackle now. He is more versatile and more finesse than Jansen which fits the Al Saunders offense the best.

Why do some people think they can pick players for a particular coaches scheme better than the coach? Heyer vs. Wade is debatable, but Heyer vs. Jansen isn't even a contest. While I was very impressed Heyer's performance, he's a true rookie while Jansen is a seasoned veteran and pro bowler.

As far as Wade vs. Heyer, I think that decision should be based on performance. Heyer looked good Sunday. If Wade struggles against the Eagles, I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs pulls him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Why do some people think they can pick players for a particular coaches scheme better than the coach? Heyer vs. Wade is debatable, but Heyer vs. Jansen isn't even a contest. While I was very impressed Heyer's performance, he's a true rookie while Jansen is a seasoned veteran and pro bowler.

As far as Wade vs. Heyer, I think that decision should be based on performance. Heyer looked good Sunday. If Wade struggles against the Eagles, I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs pulls him.

Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.

Good post, Schneed. Totally agree, as do the coaches, no doubt. I really like Heyer and with luck he'll develop into a starter for us. But now, he's still an UDFA with minimal game experience. He did a great job filling in, but Wade is the right move for RT.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow, talk about exaggeration. Jansen has NEVER made the pro bowl. He's a decent RT. He gets overrated when it comes to talent because he's such a stand-up guy. But he's no all-star.

Wade stepped in last year during the Giants and the Saints games and the offense didn't miss a beat. His pass protection was phenomenal, facing some serious pass rushers in Strahan and Will Smith/Charles Grant in those games.

A healthy Wade is no downgrade from Jon Jansen. If Wade can't play with that shoulder, then you've got no choice but to go to Heyer. But on Sunday, Heyer showed that he plays too high and too often gets pushed back into the QB on a bull-rush. Do you feel comfortable with him facing Jevon Kearse & Darren Howard without TE help? If so, you don't know much about line play. Heyer has adequate footwork to stay in front of defenders well enough, but he doesn't keep himself low enough to prevent the bull rush. He hasn't proven he can hold up against a bull rush, and the team felt that they needed to use Cooley to help him on Saturday.

Wade has proven he can stand up to solid pass rushers; he did so last year. Unless you want Cooley to finish with numbers circa Brandon Lloyd in 2006, they you need to go with Wade. I just can't understand why people would say Heyer is the choice.

I thought Jansen had made a Pro Bowl, but apparently not. I retract that comment, but as far as everything else I said, I stand by it.

Jansen is at the very least, above average. If Wade was on par with Jansen as far as ability, he'd be starting somewhere. And suggesting that the only reason Jansen is highly regarded is because he's a "stand-up guy" is a little ridiculous. If Gibbs and Bugel actually thought that Wade was a better tackle than Jansen, Wade would've been the opening day starter, but instead, he wasn't even on the active roster. I don't understand why some people feel they're better talent evaluators than the coaches...

As far as Heyer, his performace was very strong for a true rookie. Blocking too high is a fixable problem. And he did happen to be blocking arguably the best defensive end in the league, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack on his technique. And I never said that Heyer should be the starter. I actually think that Wade should be the starter against Philly, but I won't be surprised if Heyer gets a bit of playing time. Coach Gibbs didn't immediately name Wade the starter against Philly, so at the very least, he was considering Heyer.