Why all the complaining?

skinsfan242 · 10-21-2007, 06:53 PM

You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game.

Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close?

Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away.

Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3.

Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.

4mrusmc · 10-21-2007, 07:05 PM

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

BigSKINBauer · 10-21-2007, 07:06 PM

our o-line is young and inexperienced. They will pick it up more and more as the weeks progress.

WillH · 10-21-2007, 07:07 PM

Im sorry....WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!

SouperMeister · 10-21-2007, 07:16 PM

What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways:

1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar?

2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again.

3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time.

4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up?

Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.

SC Skins Fan · 10-21-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

our o-line is young and inexperienced. They will pick it up more and more as the weeks progress.

The o-line is the problem, you are obviously right there. They aren't young, though, and the reason everyone is so down, I suspect, is that with the o-line basically in shambles there is not much prospect for improvement of the offense. Getting Rabach back will help, but Fabini is simply not a good player. He can pass block some, but got eaten alive by Dockett today, and cannot run block to save his life. The Skins cannot run right, backs are being forced to make cuts three and four yards deep. I just am far less sanguine about the future prospects of the line than you are. Let's be clear, though, the problem IS the line not Campbell or Portis or Saunders. You could see Campbell's offseason progress in that first half. The throw to Randle El was great, he threw it to the back shoulder because he saw the safety coming over the middle and the read on the abortive shovel pass to Portis where he saw that the Cards read the play and so he tucked it and ran for the first down was great as well. If the Skins can't run, though, they are going to struggle to beat anyone the rest of the way. The Defense was worn down by the end because the offense could not sustain a drive or even pick up a first down. They couldn't open any holes and they couldn't protect Jason, and I'm not sure what is going on with Moss at this point.

WaldSkins · 10-21-2007, 07:28 PM

its the oline not campbell, he is playing great after only getting to play for less then 2 full seasons. he was second in the nfc in passer rating coming into the game. the offense looks like shit right now and its on the offensive line being injured. we have 3 starters out on the line. Our yards per play running has decreased every week since week one when we were healthy. if you cant run, it opens up no room for the passing game... Campbell is playing pretty good. his deep ball needs a little air underneath, but his short and midpasses are where they need to be, we just need to catch them....

MTK · 10-21-2007, 07:36 PM

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

4mrusmc · 10-21-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways:

1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar?

2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again.

3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time.

4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up?

Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.

Well said, and I second that. This team is going to get it's ass handed back to them against new england I'm sorry to say.

hooskins · 10-21-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

Yeah he did ok, but at the same time how can you assume the D will play this amazing all year round? That is impossible. No defense consistently returns picks for TDs and creates turnovers.

The point is yeah we did ok, but we didn't play a good team and we barely sqeaked by. Next week will be terrible and I can't begin to imagine playing the Cowboys.

skinsguy · 10-21-2007, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

I think the majority of these fans underestimate the importance of having a healthy, good offensive line. I guess they think the guys up front are just big fat guys who can be easily replaced. If this is the line of thinking, then it cannot be farther from the truth.

MTK · 10-21-2007, 07:50 PM

They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.

GiantsSuck703 · 10-21-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

skinsfan69 · 10-21-2007, 08:07 PM

I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.

rypper11 · 10-21-2007, 08:11 PM

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

10-21-2007, 06:53 PM	#1
skinsfan242 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 152	Why all the complaining? You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game. Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season? Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close? Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away. Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3. Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.

10-21-2007, 07:05 PM	#2
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: Why all the complaining? This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

10-21-2007, 07:06 PM	#3
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Why all the complaining? our o-line is young and inexperienced. They will pick it up more and more as the weeks progress.

10-21-2007, 07:07 PM	#4
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,590	Re: Why all the complaining? Im sorry....WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!

10-21-2007, 07:16 PM	#5
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Why all the complaining? What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways: 1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar? 2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again. 3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time. 4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up? Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.

10-21-2007, 07:28 PM	#7
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: Why all the complaining? its the oline not campbell, he is playing great after only getting to play for less then 2 full seasons. he was second in the nfc in passer rating coming into the game. the offense looks like shit right now and its on the offensive line being injured. we have 3 starters out on the line. Our yards per play running has decreased every week since week one when we were healthy. if you cant run, it opens up no room for the passing game... Campbell is playing pretty good. his deep ball needs a little air underneath, but his short and midpasses are where they need to be, we just need to catch them....

10-21-2007, 07:36 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Why all the complaining? I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now. Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off?? Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-21-2007, 07:50 PM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Why all the complaining? They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-21-2007, 08:07 PM	#14
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,281	Re: Why all the complaining? I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass. With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.

10-21-2007, 08:11 PM	#15
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Why all the complaining? My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired. For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

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