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12-06-2007, 04:09 PM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
I'm not convinced that the red zone problems are necessarily due to the plays that are being called. When you get down there, especially inside the 10, the windows are tighter and the amount of time you have to get rid of the ball is less. Defenses are not going to allow you sit there for 4 or 5 seconds and scan the endzone. I think Campbell needs to make quicker reads.
Also, SmootSmack was talking about the differences between now and 2005 as far as red zone efficiency goes and I think a play that we used a lot that year that is a real help in opening things up is that halfback pass. I think they ran that just about every game down the stretch that season. Even if it doesn't connect, it forces the dbs to play more cautious and opens up the run. I think that if Gibbs were having a big say in the red zone we would be seeing more of that particular play.
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12-06-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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Who the F cares? Nothing should happen on the field of play during a regular season game without the head coaches knowledge. He has to have full comprehension of what to expect each play of the game. With that type of thinking it only lends credence that Gibbs is simply a sideline figurehead and that Williams and Saunders are making the decisions, and Gibbs is supposed to roam the sidelines in his HOF jacket for show. |
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12-06-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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No they don't,look I realize this is not my team and I'm a visitor but as I said on and other thread I'll give you Coughlin and we'll take Gibbs in a heartbeat!!! |
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12-06-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
he shouldnt even be on the sideline for the bears game. hopefully little dan will promote gregg williams (who will actually yell at a player, and not say they played their guts out), instead of going elsewhere for a coach.
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12-06-2007, 06:36 PM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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12-07-2007, 09:06 AM
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The Starter
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
yes, it is time for Joe to go. The team is in its 3rd losing season in 4 years. WE have not progressed at all since he came here. we are the same organization we were before he got here. Over pay FA, fail to pay OUR draft picks, trade away picks like they are poison. He has not even progressed, forget the team. he still makes the same mistakes. Clock management, conservative game planning. He always says he doesnt live on past success, well that is exactly why he is still here. Danny will not fire him, so Joe will have to step down. Frankly, I dont want him moving into a VP position either. He is not a talent evaluator. He is a coach. Look at how he has built this team. He has small speed receivers (remember the smurfs?) a speed running back, athletic TE. This team is actually built for a spread it out offense throw it more than run it type game plan. Not the ball control stuff Joe likes to play. I realize the last few weeks we have started throwing the ball more, but I am looking at an overall thing here. Plus, losing 6 games this year when having a 4th quarter lead!! that is on the coach. Players have to play, but when you are sitting on the ball and giving other teams opportunities to win at the end, you will probably come up short majority of the time. Nothing has changed, we are the 3rd or 2nd worst franchise in the NFL since 1999. that is ridiculous.
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12-07-2007, 09:28 AM
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12-07-2007, 10:07 AM
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The Starter
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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seriously, the conservative play calling - playing for field goals, running and punting away only to have the defense to hold off a team to win a game. my point is watching teams that win consistantly they execute their offense at the end of games, they dont just sit on the ball. what sums up our team and coach is "we dont play to win, we play not to lose!" that doesn't work in todays NFL with teams able to score quickly. as we have seen in some of our 4th quarter losses. I do believe in my post that i said players have to play and make plays, I understand that, but coaches have to be able to put the players in positions to make those plays, and put us in positions to win games. I dont think Joe has been able to that. If he had, we would not be going through the 3rd losing season of his 4th season. i just dont get why people think Joe is doing his job. I think it is because of his name and past success, it has to be, because he hasing done anything since returning. Spurrier coached the team to the same record he did last season. 5-11 is 5-11 it doesn't matter who is on the sideline. |
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12-07-2007, 10:09 AM
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12-07-2007, 11:00 AM
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The Starter
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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if one playoff trip in 4 seasons is success then I guess he has done something. To me, 1 trip in 4 seasons isn't what I call success and yearly progression. Its funny how some accept that as progression. 1 trip on 4 years, 2 in almost 10 years. That is not very successful to me. I dont want to settle for that, and frankly i dont think the majority of redskins fans do either. I want us to be fighting for playoffs every year, like the pats, colts, eagles, seahawks ect. thats success. |
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12-07-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead.. Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over.. I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..
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12-07-2007, 09:21 AM
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Hail Raiser
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
With the way the injuries keep piling up and of course Taylor's death, I'm not sure if any coach could have done any better this year.
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12-07-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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By taking on the "player friendly" coach approach last off-season and allowing players to do their own off-season conditioning without a mandatory monitored off-season training program, players were not in the best shape they could have been in when they reported for camp and the regular season. None suffered "devastating" injuries, just those nagging groin, hammy's and sprains. In other words the types of injuries that are minimized exponentially when a player is in better shape. I.E. participates in a structured, monitored off-season program. |
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12-07-2007, 10:21 AM
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Hail Raiser
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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Guess you forget about Jansen getting his ankle snapped or last night with JC getting rolled up on. Or Rogers shredding his knee, or Thomas tearing a muscle. Not sure what conditioning was going to do for those guys. |
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12-07-2007, 11:52 AM
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The Starter
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Re: Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?
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What about Portis, Moss, ARE and even Taylor (prior to the tragedy)? They all had a nagging "tweak" that landed them on the injury report. Seemed like every week the injury reported read like a "who's who" of the Washington Redskins. How many times did we see. "pull", "strain" or "sprain" on the injury report this season? You have to admit, it was more than MOST teams in the NFL. And those little "naggers" are a direct result of conditioning. I think most may agree that possibly HALF or even a little more of the injuries could have been minimized with an off-season program. |
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